From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4144 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2022 14:53:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Nov 2022 14:53:52 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5621C41773; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:53:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 337DA40F37 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 00:53:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id E6D6935E92A; Sun, 27 Nov 2022 06:53:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 06:53:42 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Phil Budne Message-ID: <20221127145342.GC18011@mcvoy.com> References: <8f278bf8-de57-4e77-a3b8-d007d7c3a446@app.fastmail.com> <20221126191827.GV18011@mcvoy.com> <764dda08-f358-4c74-8056-ef8fc80bcaac@app.fastmail.com> <20221126232323.GX18011@mcvoy.com> <20221127001714.GY18011@mcvoy.com> <202211270443.2AR4hofO067295@ultimate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <202211270443.2AR4hofO067295@ultimate.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: OGXFX7RBCXGMRGL45MR2BILE5MUFV7GN X-Message-ID-Hash: OGXFX7RBCXGMRGL45MR2BILE5MUFV7GN X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Reaction to the 3B2 at Bell Labs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:43:50PM -0500, Phil Budne wrote: > Larry McVoy wrote: > > I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000. It's sad that the 9000 > > wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives. > > In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his > head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000: > > @2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3tcCBHRIfU > > In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier > predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over > minis and mainframes: > > @1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3tcCBHRIfU > > He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross > margins as it did in the VAX era. Hence the need for hard reproducible data. I'm sure I would have suffered the same fate at SGI if I had no data. -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat