From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31755 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2022 02:40:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Dec 2022 02:40:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D01423D7; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:39:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D5CD423CD for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 12:39:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id EDA5935E2F0; Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:39:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:39:55 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Warner Losh Message-ID: <20221211023955.GP8801@mcvoy.com> References: <20221211021628.GM8801@mcvoy.com> <20221211023207.GN8801@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: EO2BWOWBEED4VIZGZXBJKFDO7ZQ73EHL X-Message-ID-Hash: EO2BWOWBEED4VIZGZXBJKFDO7ZQ73EHL X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 07:33:54PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 7:32 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 07:26:09PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 7:16 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > > > Wow, Kermit is still around? I think the last time I used that was > > > > around 1985. > > > > > > > > Are modems still a thing? > > > > > > I used it last year... without a modem. > > > > What problem does it solve that is not solved? > > Talking to my DEC Rainbow and downloading files to it? It was the go-to > protocol of choice. Xmodem is available, but messes up file sizes. kermit > just works with this device that's so slow it drops characters at 2400 baud. OK, that is cool, but my question was what problem does it solve that we face today? Other than talking to 30-40 year old hardware. Why is Kermit still a thing?