From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23354 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2023 18:13:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2023 18:13:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E94248A; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 04:12:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85DE14248A for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 04:12:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 95A8E35E848; Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:12:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 10:12:42 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: "G. Branden Robinson" Message-ID: <20230102181242.GO25547@mcvoy.com> References: <88f83b4c-b3f9-ed87-b2fa-560fb369742a@makerlisp.com> <20221231035931.GG5825@mcvoy.com> <528f0c53-ccc2-88a1-5a7b-120362c648dd@mhorton.net> <20230102165120.GK25547@mcvoy.com> <20230102174304.GM25547@mcvoy.com> <59004a29-5119-9dd9-c248-518b8c4e7928@makerlisp.com> <20230102180020.p6gmiwhrnidfbfsc@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230102180020.p6gmiwhrnidfbfsc@illithid> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: QLNGBCOCGVVIDFTSBOITZ26AD53RPEW7 X-Message-ID-Hash: QLNGBCOCGVVIDFTSBOITZ26AD53RPEW7 X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 12:00:20PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > If it ain't broke, don't fix it. > > They were all broken. Badly. If your scripts worked, you got lucky at > Russian Roulette. No greater claim to robustness can be made. > > POSIX shell conformance still proves challenging for vendors, but is an > immense improvement over the status quo ante. You are talking to a dude with 40+ years of Unix experience, supporting commercial products most of that time. I didn't get "lucky at Russian Roulette", I wrote scripts that were portable. I have 40 year old scripts that _still_ work and they work on virtually every Unix ever built. How do I know? I was a contractor for my first job, I got plopped down in front of every random unix you could imagine and each time I polished off the warts. I spent decades supporting my own products on every flavor of Unix and processors from Arm to System/360. Oh, and Windows XP and on and MacOS. My scripts worked with /bin/sh being whatever it was. It's interesting to me that other old timers, like Clem, are saying exactly the same thing as I am. Are we all wrong?