From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9744 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2023 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2023 20:41:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C046D424B8; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 06:41:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDB50424B7 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 06:41:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id A4FBD35E848; Mon, 2 Jan 2023 12:41:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2023 12:41:03 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: "G. Branden Robinson" Message-ID: <20230102204103.GU25547@mcvoy.com> References: <20230102165120.GK25547@mcvoy.com> <20230102174304.GM25547@mcvoy.com> <59004a29-5119-9dd9-c248-518b8c4e7928@makerlisp.com> <20230102180020.p6gmiwhrnidfbfsc@illithid> <20230102181242.GO25547@mcvoy.com> <20230102192114.2uu7f4ap55e6xtby@illithid> <20230102202422.qychfa24tnjuok4p@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230102202422.qychfa24tnjuok4p@illithid> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: J3IBA2XJF5RZ6JBZG4CNPO6Y63UIU6WB X-Message-ID-Hash: J3IBA2XJF5RZ6JBZG4CNPO6Y63UIU6WB X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Jan 02, 2023 at 02:24:22PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > At 2023-01-02T14:34:22-0500, Rich Salz wrote: > > The difference is that "make" need only run on your build systems. > > Installation scripts need to run on customer systems. > > Surprisingly (not really), I don't agree with this, either. > > make, like tsort, is a generally useful tool that people misconceive as > being limited in scope to traditional compile-and-link software > development. > > A dab of imagination and familiarity with existing tooling can save one > much wheel reinvention. If we wanted to use Makefiles in our customer run product, we would have shipped it.