From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1981 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2023 23:59:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jan 2023 23:59:14 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1834C424DE; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:58:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar (075-142-133-254.biz.spectrum.com [75.142.133.254]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4030D424DD for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2023 09:58:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 302NwjbE492168 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2023 15:58:45 -0800 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 darkstar 302NwjbE492168 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fourwinds.com; s=default; t=1672703925; bh=cAQswzI+mljQn5OHlMe3MyhyiPUbXURVqNPyIGMa6Nk=; h=From:To:Subject:In-reply-to:References:Date:From; b=IdNFUsl2+Xk2dZb8V+KXXVu11taSD5vf9vQm/rWKIOi5zDtCwLRZnPEURTTSn0zyT KyK9D61zlXFGY3WsxySONsyARgvUKDzWQn9TklyjihhIHxusiZ0UZymU2A+HjLtX8R GD6NJHtwXEfahK/FrazP4gkX11sxjZgTfdrbai0k= Received: from darkstar (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.17.1/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 302NwiKJ492165 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2023 15:58:45 -0800 Message-Id: <202301022358.302NwiKJ492165@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: tuhs@tuhs.org In-reply-to: References: <20230102181242.GO25547@mcvoy.com> <20230102192114.2uu7f4ap55e6xtby@illithid> <20230102202422.qychfa24tnjuok4p@illithid> <20230102204103.GU25547@mcvoy.com> Comments: In-reply-to segaloco via TUHS message dated "Mon, 02 Jan 2023 22:54:22 +0000." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <492163.1672703924.1@darkstar> Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2023 15:58:44 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Message-ID-Hash: RFEVIFVCQGHSI4VKWSIUDNAD4QWUO4YS X-Message-ID-Hash: RFEVIFVCQGHSI4VKWSIUDNAD4QWUO4YS X-MailFrom: jon@fourwinds.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A few comments on porting the Bourne shell List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: segaloco via TUHS writes: > I think that's a good point that scripting problems may be > a symptom of the nature of the tools being used in them. I think that you're hinting at something different. To the best of my recollection, scripting languages were originally intended and used for the automation of repetitive personal tasks; making it easier for users who found themselves typing the same stuff over and over again. Somewhere along the line people forgot how to use a compiler and began writing large systems in a variety of roughly equivalent but incompatible interpreted languages. Can one even boot linux without having several different incompatible versions of Python installed today? So I don't think that it's the nature of the tools; I think that it's people choosing the wrong tools for the problems that they're trying to solve. Jon