From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19393 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2023 16:20:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Jan 2023 16:20:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1266E423BB; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:20:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 646A9423B6 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:20:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D173735E2F0; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:19:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 08:19:59 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: segaloco Message-ID: <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: NCBCDYZ4ESEDMUEK5WHXQ3UWS3QDEQU4 X-Message-ID-Hash: NCBCDYZ4ESEDMUEK5WHXQ3UWS3QDEQU4 X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Pretty unrealistic to expect the users to suddenly have the time to do kernel dev. Solaris opened sourced itself and it's dead. It's a lot of work to maintain and evolve an OS. Windows, MacOS, and Linux seem like the future. As for BSD, they pretty much killed themselves by all the in-fighting and the lack of someone like Linus. That was obvious 30 years ago and it hasn't changed. That's why I switched from BSD to Linux. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 04:10:34PM +0000, segaloco wrote: > I just hope we'll see some attempts at opening up these code bases as time goes on. Seeing as they're no longer going to be pushing new copies and will eventually ramp down maintenance releases, opening up the source would give their end users the ability to potentially float their own improvements if they can't immediately migrate to Linux or BSD. That said, security implications of course, don't want to just hand bad actors a code base to comb for memory unsafety in. > > Also this article is BSD erasure :(, no mentions of the big three save that OpenServer and Darwin have chunks of FreeBSD in them. I guess Berkeley is just chopped liver... > > - Matt G. > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Wednesday, January 18th, 2023 at 7:14 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > It makes perfect sense, it's a repeated story, commercial loses out > > to free. > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 08:13:13AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > > Interestingly enough, Phil Hughes, who founded Linux Journal > > > in the early 1990s, predicted that this would happen one day. > > > This was in a private conversation we had. I thought he > > > was crazy, but he was right. > > > > > > arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > > > > https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/ > > > > > > > > FYI. > > > > > > > > Arnold > > > > > > -- > > --- > > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat