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Branden Robinson" To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20230119205424.hjs32x2a3aq2rlzy@illithid> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7dq6bfbgjminmcsm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: JJQ2L3N2E53JE4PMW3C7NG6YOI6MSWP7 X-Message-ID-Hash: JJQ2L3N2E53JE4PMW3C7NG6YOI6MSWP7 X-MailFrom: g.branden.robinson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode (fwd) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --7dq6bfbgjminmcsm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2023-01-19T20:21:30+0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > In my own internal narrative at least, my stance is BSD is UNIX moreso > than not in that the code may have changed, there may not even be a > lick of AT&T in there (not true, handful of files, SCO lawsuit, etc.), > but it's still UNIX in design, much more than say something like Linux > could be considered. It's like if some architect inherited the Empire > State Building but was then told you can only do anything with it if > you replace everything. >=20 > In the end, it's still going to be different than taking a plot of > land and deciding, hey, I want to build something like the Empire > State Building. In the former sense, you can start to replace the > windows, then the door, then the elevators, etc etc, over time, you > see a gradual transition of A into B, which leads to unmistakable > vestiges since they were actively being worked around and within in > the replacement process. Engineers who (stereotypically) disdain the study of humanities seem frequently to discover the Ship of Theseus problem. ;-) Maybe TOG has the best approach after all; if your supercargo can pony up the gold and your pilot can navigate your craft between Scylla and Charybdis, you get to call it the Ship of Theseus, even if many others are afloat. :D Regards, Branden --7dq6bfbgjminmcsm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmPJrfYACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc6GNRAAgJGGz7Tw3nSRfqUXmQ+gBa5hbz3FpNq7I60Kke0l+ceF+ltVb1hHOGOO LwhCZ9dRF0FwSYPZFrVUFWVVpgaDW6qcembSJzjHBz5rxAS7ki164RAixabUTyNt CkPEClvk7zM6CvqPg5tvW9+w9GcBrEQ7Ad9YBOmOi76hONpgADiJPnAhQkyzdVAk GcZ71j8KKLwQZlfJOWDvpB7AT6ZRTaM8MHi2ui8bds43UwMBaWPyvxT5eC2kLp/U G66Bfy5iDRkFj0A9t4vqmQ0UFjlw/nJNI/vqmNRHVsiQbtWc/1QADDwEY4lCAIIt lXXcCE+oJLMu9YTojSKNxhewagJizn0InF7dQA1OKBHL9vgKjvhdOHF3u6+5jmh0 1sb1lvpdn3DMJhp6sT5QuVIi6vmQwh0fKYMXLPdk+pXOLZ5n6eLidzFpiAWHXGU8 ILAdiKEtZ1sdIgWnS1xfuvwNmPQbfBuqTuE+6a/4X+bELlrzWazJSpkzzZ3rD0qg 52SMW1UdIVCwAJ3VtpUm7UQc8g37xbC5eETwfa39aSd1mv6zjMxPsP87z5RhAyf8 geoK43CC5eJPhzowt7QM3xFYVW+9VSgKHmb1XUsn5ASGAMMQF2qLaC6rT0YYM47s RvEobtNK/57B9X1bFRlgm4baK+6p1iFazGsEu30eCOMY5orw3EU= =FoO+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7dq6bfbgjminmcsm--