From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31886 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2023 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Jan 2023 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C223424F7; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:36:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65381424F6 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:36:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 22BB635E91C; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:36:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:36:38 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" Message-ID: <20230120003638.GH12196@mcvoy.com> References: <39941541-8461-20c5-8433-978c1cc59454@technologists.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <39941541-8461-20c5-8433-978c1cc59454@technologists.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: JVLEEKL3CFWTQA6VY7OBYU5GSZA2FTII X-Message-ID-Hash: JVLEEKL3CFWTQA6VY7OBYU5GSZA2FTII X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: owner maintenance (Re: The era of general purpose computing (Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: That book was AWESOME. I'm pretty sure the intro talked about warming up your VW and said "the time to roll a joint is just about long enough". More seriously, I wish all manuals were written like that, I learned a ton from that book. The Honda one wasn't as good. On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 06:20:20PM -0600, Charles H Sauer (he/him) wrote: > Before Lions, before the Epoch even, there was Muir's Compleat Idiot manual > (https://technologists.com/photos/1960s/fullsize/1969JohnMuir.jpg) which > suited me well until it didn't. Charlie > > On 1/19/2023 5:51 PM, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > >To be fair I didn't necessarily just have UNIX in mind with that > >statement, I also mean whats happening to appliances, vehicles, etc. It's > >part of a bigger problem, we're just of course mostly discussing the > >implications of that problem vis-a-vis UNIX. Believe me, I also wish I > >could peer under the hood of a modern car and tell you how to actually > >replace something in there with just a socket and a set of pliers... > > > >- Matt G. > > > >------- Original Message ------- > >On Thursday, January 19th, 2023 at 3:44 PM, Rich Salz > > wrote: > > > >> > >> In my mind there would probably be a strong correlation between > >> engineers making products unnecessarily complicated (whether they > >> want to or not) and end users deciding en masse not to sink the > >> time into learning how to maintain increasingly convoluted and > >> esoteric designs. > >> > >> > >>To me, the biggest surprise about Unix history is that the Bell patent > >>office secretaries were able to use ed and [nt]roff. I cannot imagine > >>the general populace doing that. > >> > >>Folks on this list will be fine, there will always be programming > >>environments for us. For the rest of the world, simpler is better and > >>simpler isn't Unix. > > > > -- > voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com > fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Twitter: CharlesHSauer -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat