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Branden Robinson" To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20230123085833.lvxjr44d4ty2ag62@illithid> References: <202301230730.30N7UWqP018967@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jhchq2kvyljv4afh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: YEDTZ6B33RYXQAKN5WYCS3PPSBTJZXQB X-Message-ID-Hash: YEDTZ6B33RYXQAKN5WYCS3PPSBTJZXQB X-MailFrom: g.branden.robinson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: FD 2 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --jhchq2kvyljv4afh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 2023-01-23T00:32:53-0800, James Johnston wrote: > At one point it was like $22/page. >=20 > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:30 PM wrote: >=20 > > Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was > > > phototypesetting 'file not found' too often... But that last bit > > > is mostly because I want to believe. > > > > Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. > > It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. Steve Johnson's email[0] (which I cited in my earlier reply to this thread) said it took only "a couple of days" after acquistion of the phototypesetter for this to happen. But the C/A/T was acquired by 1973[1], and the Hunt Brothers' cornering of the silver market occurred in March 1980[2], over a year _after_ the release of V7[3]. It seems both of these can't be true. I wondered if maybe only a later typesetter used a silver-based photochemical development process, but that doesn't work with troff history either, as device-independent troff wasn't ready to go until about January 1981, targetting the C/A/T and the Autologic APS-5[4], the latter with support so fresh that it wasn't in the manual yet[5]. Can someone reconcile these points? Regards, Branden [0] https://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2013-December/006113.html [1] https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV4/man/man1/troff.1 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday [3] https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3DV7 [4] https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/Volume_1/00= _Annotated_Table_of_Contents.pdf (p. 2) [5] https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/Manuals/Unix_4.0/Volume_1/C.= 1.2_NROFF_TROFF_Users_Manual.pdf (p. 34) --jhchq2kvyljv4afh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIyBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmPOTDEACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc7Svg/4/AS/2TEBEZXTkITFr91+ZE2BBR757MQ1IQT5ZlAtLM5kZBGA7Ba6D3Zc IJiwORybz7K7cKy/l5Y+fQGTZP5YWyVMhHIS9QE2DsNKDCplg9GwPRt0aV6/RR9O SU6xH5DaWGJPhtIuBZy3GpBLWL/394RZdCB0vTw75dCaq3KnCQEc7ECCN9dM4FA5 N7lb9hAQz3XPthpL145TBBlL6bGny9D1BcZqXnrP0MYS4XKTDSD/iTisdp78GAbm VD4Cy1zLmQFSLSUprD1Y5enZyfPGoNDDAPl4meTDJZX83jfgHBcTL5w0qfQ9QZoV Ir7wMkSU5T0EBQ3RLe9mgIU7DbWsgypI/nZoKvBBOM1srbPfnwAn71cfmQeClSxn F9ngP2Vkj66/kQoqoNhb+ACf4WlXCRAVywjXKvR/owgp2nDMm/KxpqLu9fq+9T8G BwUN7B8baIJG6/cXmNctUCllu0CtzDCNelrEzTrGz/8g8Ra9VLJZQHlh6XfW07Ca m5ba/CctjzcHYLj2m2rPmcWyU52rJEDFSOtkz+rrjGQ1pciXy6OMsKk7gg7kAFwa HGwlJNHY4oqwstkuyisqcqX07wXmaBF9sjEJJ/bPYQIGQkDcn/xtLjLdHOYw7mwC CiUbPX4bqjQVty5UztVBe4TYfIX5FhNr6gntc4nHfEeumeVQtg== =1HzR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jhchq2kvyljv4afh--