From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7468 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2023 07:21:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2023 07:21:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12A042470; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 17:21:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7723942456 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 17:21:34 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 30O7LSSg000611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 24 Jan 2023 00:21:28 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 30O7LRBb000597; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 00:21:27 -0700 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202301240721.30O7LRBb000597@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 00:21:27 -0700 To: tuhs@tuhs.org, douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu, audioskeptic@gmail.com References: <202301230730.30N7UWqP018967@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: 6H2JD6SXADE4ZKMIR4VXBDTGODHJFYLG X-Message-ID-Hash: 6H2JD6SXADE4ZKMIR4VXBDTGODHJFYLG X-MailFrom: arnold@skeeve.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: FD 2 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I stand corrected. Thanks. Arnold Douglas McIlroy wrote: > >> And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was phototypesetting > >> 'file not found' too often... But that last bit is mostly because I want > >> to believe. > > > Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. > > It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. > > If I ever said that I must have been smoking something at the time. > The phototypesetter is a dramatic example, but a minor cause. > The major cause was pipes. Downstream programs fail > when they receive diagnostics rather than data. And users > never see the reason why. > > Doug > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:34 AM James Johnston wrote: > > > > At one point it was like $22/page. > > > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:30 PM wrote: > >> > >> Warner Losh wrote: > >> > >> > And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was phototypesetting > >> > 'file not found' too often... But that last bit is mostly because I want > >> > to believe. > >> > >> Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. > >> It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. > >> > >> Arnold > > > > > > > > -- > > James D. (jj) Johnston > > > > Chief Scientist, Immersion Networks