From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2071 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2023 00:53:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Feb 2023 00:53:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49BB41C9D; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:53:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D280241C96 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 10:53:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 579D335E847; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:53:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:53:22 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Henry Mensch Message-ID: <20230211005322.GF28037@mcvoy.com> References: <3e272d72-b77a-d347-b5c3-7ed19482e5af@gmail.com> <3h5FEAegoTs6FrhHODiW-rBdB59dt_Rmr4G0PIw7flqaJLsmorgPsilm4f2aJkDud-qEljDjnCJcE1uY05Iw4HNQcyNG4W3wzVlLD0UZfLg=@protonmail.com> <1863dd20b08.2952.27ce34798ec5af9926fa49424fa0531c@henare.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1863dd20b08.2952.27ce34798ec5af9926fa49424fa0531c@henare.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: 6VJCWSPFT4O66FDUUY4D7KTS7LRD5Q3E X-Message-ID-Hash: 6VJCWSPFT4O66FDUUY4D7KTS7LRD5Q3E X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Theodore Ts'o , Jonathan Gray , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: project athena (was Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 07:13:41PM -0500, Henry Mensch wrote: > that would have happened before I arrived in April of 1986. my first job at Athena was to. get folks off those XTs and (mostly) ATs. > > This was wildly unsuccessful and unpopular because the replacement hardware wouldn't be similarly capable... and also because, even then, there were more things that could be plugged into XTs and ATs. The old platform was perceived as more versatile. > > - Henry So the "old platform" was the National 32016 addon cards that somehow ran a Unix? I'd love to learn more about that, I really liked the 320xx architecture, seemed like a winner but my memory is they were buggy. Still would like to get some idea of what it was like to run on an XT/AT with that card plugged in. Did you boot DOS and that somehow booted Unix or what? --lm