From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3799 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2023 01:14:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Feb 2023 01:14:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3FF43273; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:14:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C75C4326F for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 11:14:26 +1000 (AEST) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 02:14:16 +0100 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Warner Losh Message-ID: <20230226011416.v_YEz%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <58626A0B-EF9C-4920-8E20-CE0C4210BA6A@planet.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Warner Losh , Paul Ruizendaal , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-418-gbf8954aec4 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Message-ID-Hash: ZXI2UEFD7ATWBMTV3D6X4HIIP5FUAFTT X-Message-ID-Hash: ZXI2UEFD7ATWBMTV3D6X4HIIP5FUAFTT X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Paul Ruizendaal , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early GUI on Linux List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Warner Losh wrote in : |On Sat, Feb 25, 2023, 2:31 PM Paul Ruizendaal wrote: ... |> - were there any window systems popular on early Linux other than X? ... |No. Mgr was available but harder to setup than X. This is from like 0.98pl5 |or so days, so very early on... | |- was there any discussion of alternatives to X? | |Discussions yes. But not much more than talk. | |There were vgalib apps that ran graphics on the console, but I never used |them. There was (and is) directfb. It seems it never really started over, but i actually track its successor [1] due to interest. It was one of my plans, over twenty years ago (there was an article in either German Linux Magazine or German computer magazine c't on it), to have nothing but myself, it and the kernel. (And PDF viewer and image viewer that existed and i think exist. Graphical browser was not soo much necessary by then.) (That sprung into existence when after a Halloween Linux Red Hat clone update i suddenly found myself in a graphical framebuffer. My "desktop" is a full-window screen->tmux session with multiple windows, and sometimes firefox beside it; rxvt-unicode earlier, but basically the same.) [1] https://github.com/directfb2/DirectFB2.git --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)