From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28185 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2023 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Feb 2023 20:22:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C357B43265; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:22:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 857E043244 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 06:22:19 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 31RKMG9b004092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:22:17 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 31RKMG2L004091; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:22:16 -0700 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202302272022.31RKMG2L004091@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 13:22:16 -0700 To: chet.ramey@case.edu References: <58626A0B-EF9C-4920-8E20-CE0C4210BA6A@planet.nl> <202302272004.31RK4aGG001510@freefriends.org> <2f6faeb4-5e73-cf18-b0ff-edc3e1658f72@case.edu> In-Reply-To: <2f6faeb4-5e73-cf18-b0ff-edc3e1658f72@case.edu> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: 7WFLZ6QCRO26F75CA3W2A5AE4NEW2KCY X-Message-ID-Hash: 7WFLZ6QCRO26F75CA3W2A5AE4NEW2KCY X-MailFrom: arnold@skeeve.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Generational development [was Re: Re: Early GUI on Linux] List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Chet Ramey wrote: > On 2/27/23 3:04 PM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > IMHO the dependence upon IDEs is crippling; they cut & paste to the > > almost total exclusion of the keyboard, including when shell completion > > would be faster. > > Don't forget cargo-culting by pasting shell commands they got from the web > and barely understand, if at all. Yeah, really. I do what I can, but it's a very steep uphill battle, as most don't even understand that they're missing something, or that they could learn it if they wanted to. I think I'll stop ranting before I really get going. :-) Arnold