From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23164 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2023 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Mar 2023 04:28:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98FA443656; Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:28:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A53BA43645 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2023 14:28:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 14C0535E94C; Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:28:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 20:28:18 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Paul Ruizendaal Message-ID: <20230302042817.GA26839@mcvoy.com> References: <58626A0B-EF9C-4920-8E20-CE0C4210BA6A@planet.nl> <20230301165446.GB26409@mcvoy.com> <616F16D5-5906-4E30-A421-FE8978CA9E8E@planet.nl> <20230301175232.GF26409@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230301175232.GF26409@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: TBZPAK7PWDR262ACUD5ZMJJFTRKGMPRN X-Message-ID-Hash: TBZPAK7PWDR262ACUD5ZMJJFTRKGMPRN X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early GUI on Linux List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Mar 01, 2023 at 09:52:32AM -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > Whether I had brought it up or not at UW-Madison, I had been using some > version of X for years, at least 5 years and probably more, prior to > going out in industry in 1987. And that wasn't my doing, UW-Madison > was very much a hackers school, a good one, and they had X-something > running on everything, micro vaxen, RTs, Suns, everything. Paul gently took me to task in private and pointed out that my timeline doesn't make sense, there is no way I was running X anything in 1982. And he's right, there were a number of years on vt52 and vt100 and whatever was the heath one, I loved that terminal because you could code it to put status in the 25th line. A lot of time on terminals connected to a Vax 780. I was an undergrad from 1980-85, grad in 96 and 87. I'm pretty sure I was running some version of X as an undergrad, probably as a senior. But not for 5 years before I graduated as I said so my bad. I'm a fisherman, the fish get bigger every time I tell the story and the years I used X back in the day get longer :) Whatever the details are, I left Wisconsin with X as my dev environment and I believe I brought it up on Suns, HPs, SGIs, Linux of course, maybe SCO (I might have skipped that and just used console ttys, the SCO I used was warmed over V7) and who knows what else. X was to me in windowing as Unix was to me in operating systems, they were what I wanted simply because I got more work done in those environments. --lm