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From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: norman@oclsc.org, lm@mcvoy.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origins of the frame buffer device
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2023 05:08:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202303071208.327C8Lgw026058@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230306232429.GL5398@mcvoy.com>

Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> It's funny because back in my day those GPUs would have been called vector
> processors, at least I think they would.  It seems like somewhere along
> the way, vector processors became a dirty word but GPUS are fine.
>
> Color me confused.

I think vector processing is used for things like

	for (i = 0; i < SOME_CONSTANT; i++)
		a[i] = b[i] + c[i]

that is, vectoring general purpose code. GPUS are pretty specialized
SIMD machines which sort of happen to be useful for certain kinds
of parallelizable general computations, like password cracking.

Today there are both standardized and proprietary ways of programming
them.

> About the only reason I can see to keep things divided between the CPU
> and the GPU is battery power, or power consumption in general.  From
> what little I know, it seems like GPUs are pretty power thirsty so 
> maybe they keep them as optional devices so people who don't need them
> don't pay the power budget.
>
> But even that seems suspect, I would think they could put some logic
> in there that just doesn't feed power to the GPU if you aren't using
> it but maybe that's harder than I think.

You're on target, not just in the GPU world but also in the CPU
world.  Modern Intel CPUS have a lot of circuits for turning power
consumption up and down dynamically.

Modern-day CPU development is much harder than we software types generally
realize. I worked at Intel as a software guy (bad juju there, let me
tell you!) and learned a lot about it, from the outside. For a given
x86 microarchitecture, from planning until it's in the box in the store
is like a 5+ year journey. These days maybe even more, as I left
Intel 7.5 years ago.

Arnold

  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-07 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-06 23:16 Norman Wilson
2023-03-06 23:24 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-07 12:08   ` arnold [this message]
2023-03-07 16:42   ` Theodore Ts'o
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-03-05 18:52 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-05 20:43 ` Rob Pike
2023-03-06 10:43   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-03-07  1:21 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08  5:43 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-03-09 23:24   ` emanuel stiebler
2023-03-10  1:44     ` Lawrence Stewart
2023-03-05 15:01 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-05 17:29 ` [TUHS] " Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-03-05 18:25 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-06  8:51   ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-06  8:57     ` Rob Pike
2023-03-06 11:09       ` Henry Bent
2023-03-06 16:02         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-06 22:47       ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-06 23:10         ` Rob Pike
2023-03-08 12:53           ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-03-08 14:23             ` Dan Cross
2023-03-08 15:06               ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-03-08 19:35                 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-08 16:55               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-08 17:46                 ` Clem Cole
2023-03-08 17:45               ` Clem Cole
2023-03-08 18:12                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-08 18:21                   ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-08 18:43                     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08 18:45                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-08 22:44                     ` Clem Cole
2023-03-09 14:42                 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-06 23:20         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-07  1:24     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08  3:07     ` Rob Gingell
2023-03-08 12:51       ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-08 13:05         ` Warner Losh
2023-03-08 13:17         ` Arno Griffioen via TUHS
2023-03-07  1:54 ` Kenneth Goodwin

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