From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27998 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2023 10:05:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Mar 2023 10:05:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126C841605; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:05:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from relay05.pair.com (relay05.pair.com [216.92.24.67]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4A0A415E1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 20:04:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (unknown [84.51.130.45]) by relay05.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C7E1A26CB for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 06:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778DB21FF5 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:04:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Ralph Corderoy To: tuhs@tuhs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: <10C77771-5232-4DBB-8685-ADC38C5E8350@iitbombay.org> References: <20230310113708.AD55518C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <10C77771-5232-4DBB-8685-ADC38C5E8350@iitbombay.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 10:04:52 +0000 Message-Id: <20230314100452.778DB21FF5@orac.inputplus.co.uk> Message-ID-Hash: 2WL72AT5GKYTQF5DOQ3NUMM6QV3XED6Z X-Message-ID-Hash: 2WL72AT5GKYTQF5DOQ3NUMM6QV3XED6Z X-MailFrom: ralph@inputplus.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] C dialects List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bakul, > ...what I'd like to see is a total *ban* on any and all optimizations. > What you get is what you see! I think you'd see less clear source code as, once again, programmers chased efficiency by contorting the source to squeeze the best out of a dumb compiler. I think Ted said it well. Let the compiler squeeze all it can out of the letter of the standard. Let the programmer have the compiler abide by the spirit of the language. -- Cheers, Ralph.