From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15213 invoked from network); 4 May 2023 01:36:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 May 2023 01:36:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D93424BA; Thu, 4 May 2023 11:36:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lax.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [45.32.70.18]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8225424B6; Thu, 4 May 2023 11:35:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (121-200-11-253.79c80b.mel.nbn.aussiebb.net [121.200.11.253]) by lax.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9F2280D5; Thu, 4 May 2023 01:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE7C22635B9; Thu, 4 May 2023 11:35:54 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 4 May 2023 11:35:54 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jim Capp Message-ID: <20230504013554.GI24312@eureka.lemis.com> References: <4802099.2951.1683160427888.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iRjOs3ViPWHdlw/I" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4802099.2951.1683160427888.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Message-ID-Hash: 2KZNTMFEIWWPRHC2ETRIR4UMKEHVMEIG X-Message-ID-Hash: 2KZNTMFEIWWPRHC2ETRIR4UMKEHVMEIG X-MailFrom: grog@lemis.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Warren Toomey , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: OT: TUHS mails not going to Outlook & Hotmail. Help! List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --iRjOs3ViPWHdlw/I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 3 May 2023 at 20:33:47 -0400, Jim Capp wrote: > On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 7:46:51 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > >> All, e-mails from the TUHS server are not making it to Hotmail or >> Outlook. I've not changed anything. Is there anybody with some >> MTA/ISP experience who might be able to help diagnose the problem? > > I've had this issue before. Problem was resolved for me by setting > up SPF records in DNS. That's only part of it. SPF can be a problem with mailing lists. For example, tuhs.org doesn't appear in the SPF record for anteil.com. There's also DMARC to worry about, but so far I haven't found anything that satisfies all these Big Businesses. > In any case, the key to resolution is to inspect the bounce back > messages. Many are too polite to tell you the errors of your ways. From memory, outlook.com does, but Telstra BigPond doesn't. Another thing I've been trying is changing the sending MTA from my own (mail.lemis.com) to my ISP's MTA. I don't know for sure if it makes any difference. My own server gives me the "delivered" messages, but the ISP server just says "delivered to spam check service" or some such. I fear that we oldtimers no longer fit in the Internet of the 2020s, and to communicate with modern people we'll have to use Gmail or some such. O brave new world! Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php --iRjOs3ViPWHdlw/I Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAmRTC/oACgkQIubykFB6QiMBDQCggNXwJsBEKBrQnBS/nSMKFSet trsAn0bZ2+QOLfg9DcgHeWHLfgLNedDa =fWgS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iRjOs3ViPWHdlw/I--