From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23503 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2023 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Aug 2023 15:40:07 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37423415C3; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:40:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67471415BF for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 01:39:56 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:39:50 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: emanuel stiebler Message-ID: <20230803153950.DzynA%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com> References: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> <29602.1690887524@cesium.clock.org> <20230803005106.GA12652@mcvoy.com> <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com> Mail-Followup-To: emanuel stiebler , Rob Pike , Mike Markowski , tuhs@tuhs.org User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-499-g3e2c502b83 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Message-ID-Hash: AV54YCKCOU6L4PQX7OUQJPWVU2VOU6QR X-Message-ID-Hash: AV54YCKCOU6L4PQX7OUQJPWVU2VOU6QR X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: python List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: emanuel stiebler wrote in <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com>: |On 2023-08-03 09:29, Rob Pike wrote: |> The idea of indentation defining structure seemed really cool when it |> arose. I first saw it in a toy language called Henry, back in the early |> 1980s. |> |> But over time the notion that invisible characters define program |> execution created so many problems that in retrospect it is ill advised |> despite its prevalence. In fact its prevalence makes it even less |> advisable, as it creates yet more areas for trouble. | |Most editors have some "beautify modes" which can fix indentation, |so the programmer sees what he is doing in deep nested stuff. | |Counting "white spaces" in 21st century? Normally a newer C compiler beats unto you if your indentation does not satisfy him? (Or was that clang only? That one maybe learns to cook your favorite hot beverage if its size exceeds the second gigabyte.) --End of <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com> Ciao. P.S.: unfair + without any insider knowledge: it must be like that. $ ll /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 250632 Jul 31 21:14 /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename 1 1 244.8 KiB 1180.5 KiB 0.207 CRC64 /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz No pcc here at the moment :( $ ll /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 50662716 May 27 20:45 /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename 1 9 48.3 MiB 206.5 MiB 0.234 CRC64 /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz $ prt-get info gcc|grep Depend Dependencies: libmpc,zlib,zstd $ ll /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 103260340 Jun 23 22:19 /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename 1 42 98.5 MiB 991.7 MiB 0.099 CRC64 /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ prt-get info clang|grep Depend Dependencies: compiler-rt $ ll /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 3633680 Jun 23 21:04 /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename 1 2 3548.5 KiB 36.3 MiB 0.096 CRC64 /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ prt-get info compiler-rt|grep Depend Dependencies: llvm $ ll /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 115485456 Jun 23 21:00 /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz Strms Blocks Compressed Uncompressed Ratio Check Filename 1 29 110.1 MiB 678.9 MiB 0.162 CRC64 /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz $ prt-get info llvm|grep Depend Dependencies: cmake,libffi,libxml2,ninja,python3-setuptools --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)