From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10263 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2023 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Aug 2023 00:49:44 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1A42241; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:49:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 168824223F for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2023 10:49:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id B77CE35E923; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:49:35 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Rob Pike Message-ID: <20230804004935.GF11023@mcvoy.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: I4QTPBGAULRCT53BIS3PBSCMF4BJ7D62 X-Message-ID-Hash: I4QTPBGAULRCT53BIS3PBSCMF4BJ7D62 X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: emacs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I have yet to see someone see the stuff I use from BDS C's editor, here is vi's version: map # :.,$ map @ :1,. And from Udi Manber, I watched him do this and said how the heck did you make that paragraph reformat? map , !}fmt^M Sory, not TECO, but editor stuff. I'll bow out. On Fri, Aug 04, 2023 at 10:27:52AM +1000, Rob Pike wrote: > There was a guy in production at Google using Unix TECO as his main editor > when I joined in 2002. He was astonished that I recognized it, but I had > used TECO in the early 1970s and, although I had no desire to return to it, > I did know it well enough to exclaim its presence when watching over his > shoulder. > > So yes, apologies for not remembering his name, but it was at least one > person's default editor. > > -rob > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:19???AM Adam Thornton wrote: > > > There are certainly teco implementations for Unix, although I don't know > > if it was ever anyone's default editor anywhere. Indeed, there are > > multiple implementations: I switched from a C teco implementation to pyteco > > in the Rubin Science Platform JupyterLab implementation (its utility is of > > course dubious, but this is part of both my nefarious plan to make Jupyter > > not merely mean "Julia, Python, and R", but to use that "e" -- and > > reassociate it with the "t" -- by making it mean "Julia, Python, Teco, and > > R", and also to include an easter egg for a fellow project member who is a > > teco fan). > > > > The first Emacs I used was GNU emacs at already version...16 or > > something? In 1989, on ... I don't remember what the main system I used at > > the UT Austin Chaos Lab was, actually; we had an SGI Iris, but that wasn't > > the machine I did my editing on. But by 1989 it was certainly > > well-available and established. > > > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:04???PM Will Senn wrote: > > > >> As a longtime user and lover of ed/ex/vi, I don't know much about emacs, > >> but lately I've been using it more (as it seems like any self-respecting > >> lisper, has to at least have a passing acquaintance with it). I recently > >> went off and got MACLISP running in ITS. As part of that exploration, I > >> used EMACS, but not just any old emacs, emacs in it's first incarnation as > >> a set of TECO macros. To me, it just seemed like EMACS. I won't bore you > >> with the details - imagine lots of control and escape sequences, many of > >> which are the same today as then. This was late 70's stuff. > >> > >> My question for the group is - when did emacs arrive in unix and was it a > >> full fledged text editor when it came or was it sitting on top of some > >> other subssystem in unix? Was TECO ever on unix? > >> > >> Will > >> > > -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat