From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5987 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 22:06:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 22:06:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6D8432EC; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:06:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3085B43115 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 08:05:52 +1000 (AEST) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 00:05:47 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: "Theodore Ts'o" Message-ID: <20230911220547.atSg7%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20230911041059.GH701295@mit.edu> References: <9A989054DE79CE5059CBA74797391E39.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> <20230904221059.sF2G0%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20230905155301.mIziN%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20230908233854.Xni_j%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20230911041059.GH701295@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: "Theodore Ts'o" , Michael =?utf-8?Q?Kj=C3=B6rling?= , tuhs@tuhs.org User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-508-g5394c8bef3 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID-Hash: 4KKY545VBYN7ILA37L2SFRD4CELPJK7M X-Message-ID-Hash: 4KKY545VBYN7ILA37L2SFRD4CELPJK7M X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Michael =?utf-8?Q?Kj=C3=B6rling?= , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix install & "standalone" package List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Theodore Ts'o wrote in <20230911041059.GH701295@mit.edu>: |On Sat, Sep 09, 2023 at 01:38:54AM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> You know, things change, and if you do not follow closely, you |> stand in the rain. I am not a paid Linux engineer that follows |> this rapidly moving target in the end. |> For example the (no longer) new random developer chose to disable |> feeding entropy via /dev/urandom, here (distribution) still is |> |> # Load random seed |> /bin/cat /var/lib/urandom/seed > /dev/urandom |> |> for almost two decades (it is a rather young one), but the code |> path was mutilated (i read the kernel source once he had rewritten |> that to be blake2/some 32-byte block thing based), now one needs |> to use some ioctl interface fwiw. | |Huh? That's not correct. You can still introduce entropy into the |random pool by writing to /dev/urandom or /dev/random. It is true |that there has been some changes to the design of /dev/random, but I |assure you as the original /dev/random developer, was consulted and |involved in the design discussions. Ah, lesser and lesser freedom for man! That is the truth! Neither was (last i looked) that counted no more to unlock man from the chokehold of missing entropy, nor do newer kernels then decrement entropy when you read random. |Anyway, this is off-topic for TUHS, but if you have specific |questions/complaints, feel free to address them to me and Jason. Your |comments do make me suspect that there are some fundamental |misunderstandings at work. Surely for the latter. So much i give in on this song line. Greetings. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)