From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2770 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2024 03:22:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Jan 2024 03:22:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F33A43F53; Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:22:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freecalypso.org (freecalypso.org [195.154.163.71]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DC4843F52 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2024 13:22:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: by freecalypso.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE8393740314; Sun, 7 Jan 2024 03:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 19:21:32 -0800 From: Mychaela Falconia To: tuhs@tuhs.org, phil@ultimate.com References: <20240105221729.371EA37401DA@freecalypso.org> <20240106030254.B8D7537401FF@freecalypso.org> <20240106032236.llpryldqt7lbondn@illithid> <20240106040642.D949B37403C1@freecalypso.org> <20240107021710.F0B92374013D@freecalypso.org> <202401070254.4072swca006665@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: <202401070254.4072swca006665@ultimate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20240107032140.BE8393740314@freecalypso.org> Message-ID-Hash: Q6UPSFJSHBNDR7WQXPYUBIR5EJZUA4FQ X-Message-ID-Hash: Q6UPSFJSHBNDR7WQXPYUBIR5EJZUA4FQ X-MailFrom: falcon@freecalypso.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Original print of V7 manual? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Phil Budne wrote: > FWIW (likely little), CAT-driving troff *was* used to drive other > printers, and least for the unwashed. Oh yes, I know! In the branch of UNIX closest to my heart, CSRG at UCB had vtroff(1) for driving Varian/Versatec raster output devices with a CAT-emulating post-processor to original troff. My recent discovery of scanned 4.2BSD Usenix docs (thank you, Ms. Erica Fischer, whoever and wherever you are!) tells me that vtroff(1) for casual prints plus a real CAT for serious typesetting was still the only troff setup at UCB as of 4.2BSD, i.e., no ditroff yet. In the days of 4.3BSD CSRG used ditroff internally, but could not ship it because of licensing nonsense, and by this point some early Xerox EP printer (speaking Interpress, apparently) replaced Varian/Versatec as the "default" device for casual prints, whereas APS-5 took the place of CAT for serious typesetting jobs. > I'm not saying interpreting C/A/T output was done at the mother ship, > but it's not impossible either. The big wins with [td]itroff were > more than four fonts, and graphics. Second sentence: I agree absolutely. But while people did take output of original troff and converted it to either raster or PostScript, I am not quite sure if one could drive something like APS-5 in this manner - I'll have to think about it. M~