From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E303F2621D for ; Sat, 18 May 2024 20:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4655C4334D; Sun, 19 May 2024 04:22:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (arjuna.pair.com [209.68.5.131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA44443346 for ; Sun, 19 May 2024 04:22:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0FC8A753; Sat, 18 May 2024 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (57.89.115.87.dyn.plus.net [87.115.89.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 85CCC8A6B0; Sat, 18 May 2024 14:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ED921309; Sat, 18 May 2024 19:22:18 +0100 (BST) From: Ralph Corderoy To: Douglas McIlroy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: References: Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 19:22:18 +0100 Message-Id: <20240518182218.44ED921309@orac.inputplus.co.uk> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inputplus.co.uk; h=from:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id; s=pair-202402161033; bh=uwxJbgrdStrtoolSOR2gjj80mDBT7sy7fh0mAg62/88=; b=PsP3df2fol72x3dhnAr97lKSMB2p4RDvQTpRqAL+1keAZxTW6rE/W1/8YtbT7c/qRPYJMoBAywhdTkUzCqJhT69TGshPY/0sYVXzn1szHMAR1CEywfhk8eLBUZrLryNhiEtRFVWDOBpPDt3teWAOQm6OTZeU6g4dwUoqctp8HB4wim2qGVFFTXTSbYTXK9mbwqcL74UVSVcnlVppEcjgVBcuqpwd18M08/H1n0O6vc1jYtRfY9t5+H0eV0ppQpBBZK93TgXtFSDb+ecEC9LhmbYUOarhVZdRYO71jX0Vs5NTluVLB7rwWtKyzsZHi1xVow51pei6GHSXQAnlU/1abw== X-Scanned-By: mailmunge 3.11 on 209.68.5.131 Message-ID-Hash: CZZ3NUIOOJVJ3463CVGRFLDPWLB44H4U X-Message-ID-Hash: CZZ3NUIOOJVJ3463CVGRFLDPWLB44H4U X-MailFrom: ralph@inputplus.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: On Bloat and the Idea of Small Specialized Tools List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Doug, > % less --help | wc -l > 298 > Last time I looked, the line count was about 220. Bloat is self-catalyzing. Adding a --help option is a sign the man page lacks succintness. It's the easier solution. Another point against adding --help: there's a second attempt to describe the source. -- Cheers, Ralph.