From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E5C2350E for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 15:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1328543B09; Mon, 20 May 2024 23:30:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (arjuna.pair.com [209.68.5.131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9592E43B08 for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 23:30:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A481F8A89B for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 09:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (57.89.115.87.dyn.plus.net [87.115.89.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77A388A893 for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 09:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA761FB2F for ; Mon, 20 May 2024 14:30:17 +0100 (BST) From: Ralph Corderoy To: tuhs@tuhs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: <7e23b0d6-a8be-4e51-ba5a-21432b2fa055@case.edu> References: <202405200319.44K3J2Jq117819@freefriends.org> <20240520092013.21BD01FB2F@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <7e23b0d6-a8be-4e51-ba5a-21432b2fa055@case.edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 14:30:17 +0100 Message-Id: <20240520133017.BFA761FB2F@orac.inputplus.co.uk> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inputplus.co.uk; h=from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id; s=pair-202402161033; bh=u4cGDwuz/ScsF65F6oy+5N1cql4FvuDiqcvEGnOYDxw=; b=E49+sfhOA3+3ZQW0Blj6nPYfy+5AvKQH9Od3TiJEPUsb6TaEv/8JYRnEoRgpBLEZvMreH22/L+eR5ofXTvVnVIdZiPps6aIX3TgR+sJQSn2+1S/HTta0FL7+Hlmc74Yu9RtMRzVlL8BdndsM3lI9rF1/sWWTdaVUZBqT71mL0smP4eIxQDVb74q6iKeBselwC1B7TIMSSRma8u9by44a7B1SJzEBLORfrIEYQyuk4NMZDU4jFWZrkQnJW4JmNl0OvQop77n5TQtqaTXEh7ThLn4fezzG+XjFnANl5qtqzL/8QWMd7+D146Cu8cnTtSiCoqq8eL9mljM517ZjhtMeGA== X-Scanned-By: mailmunge 3.11 on 209.68.5.131 Message-ID-Hash: QEVCL6BSE4RH6UVGRCUPXIGAUX6BFRYI X-Message-ID-Hash: QEVCL6BSE4RH6UVGRCUPXIGAUX6BFRYI X-MailFrom: ralph@inputplus.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk. List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Chet, > Is it better to spend time on bugs that will affect a larger > percentage of the user population, instead of those that require > artificial circumstances that won't be encountered by normal usage? > Those get pushed down on the priority list. You're talking about pushing unlikely, fuzzed bugs down the prioritised list, but we're discussing those bugs not getting onto the list for consideration. Lack of resources also applies to triaging bugs and I agree a fuzzed bug which hands over a 42 KiB of dense, gibberish awk will probably not get volunteer attention. But then fuzzers can seek a smaller test case, similar to Andreas Zeller's delta debugging. I'm in no way criticising Arnold who, like you, has spent many years voluntarily enhancing a program many of us use every day. But it's interesting to shine some light on this corner to better understand what's happening. -- Cheers, Ralph.