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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk.
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 19:47:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240521024743.GE25728@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKzdPgyOPp+M8_nSUD=LeB-qrduBBsQDG-HgJjExKn-GAeVzLA@mail.gmail.com>

I think the title might go to my OS prof, Bart Miller.  He did a paper 

https://www.paradyn.org/papers/fuzz.pdf

that named it that in 1990.  

On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 11:56:30AM +1000, Rob Pike wrote:
> Ron Hardin was doing this to Dennis's C compiler in the 1980s, well before
> 1998. And I believe Doug McIlroy was generating random regular expressions
> to compare different implementations. It's probably impossible to decide
> who invented fuzzing, so the credit will surely go to the person who named
> it.
> 
> -rob
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 12:09???AM Serissa <stewart@serissa.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well this is obviously a hot button topic.  AFAIK I was nearby when
> > fuzz-testing for software was invented. I was the main advocate for hiring
> > Andy Payne into the Digital Cambridge Research Lab.  One of his little
> > projects was a thing that generated random but correct C programs and fed
> > them to different compilers or compilers with different switches to see if
> > they crashed or generated incorrect results.  Overnight, his tester filed
> > 300 or so bug reports against the Digital C compiler.  This was met with
> > substantial pushback, but it was a mostly an issue that many of the reports
> > traced to the same underlying bugs.
> >
> > Bill McKeemon expanded the technique and published "Differential Testing
> > of Software"
> > https://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~bylvisa1/cs97/f13/Papers/DifferentialTestingForSoftware.pdf
> >
> > Andy had encountered the underlying idea while working as an intern on the
> > Alpha processor development team.  Among many other testers, they used an
> > architectural tester called REX to generate more or less random sequences
> > of instructions, which were then run through different simulation chains
> > (functional, RTL, cycle-accurate) to see if they did the same thing.
> > Finding user-accessible bugs in hardware seems like a good thing.
> >
> > The point of generating correct programs (mentioned under the term LangSec
> > here) goes a long way to avoid irritating the maintainers.  Making the test
> > cases short is also maintainer-friendly.  The test generator is also in a
> > position to annotate the source with exactly what it is supposed to do,
> > which is also helpful.
> >
> > -L
> >
> >
> >

-- 
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Larry McVoy           Retired to fishing          http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-21  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-20 14:09 Serissa
2024-05-21  1:56 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21  2:47   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2024-05-21  2:54     ` Lawrence Stewart
2024-05-21  3:36       ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21 11:59         ` Peter Weinberger (温博格) via TUHS
2024-05-21  3:53   ` George Michaelson
2024-05-21 16:59   ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-21 17:56     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-05-21 18:12     ` Luther Johnson
2024-05-22 15:37       ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-22 18:49         ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22 20:17           ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22  3:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-05-22  5:08       ` Alexis
2024-05-22 13:12         ` Warner Losh
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-05-23 13:49 Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-23 20:52 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24  5:41   ` andrew
2024-05-24  7:17   ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-24  7:41     ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24 11:56     ` Dan Halbert
2024-05-25  0:17   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-05-25  0:57     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-05-25 13:56     ` David Arnold
2024-05-25 17:18     ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-25 17:36       ` Tom Perrine
2024-05-20 13:06 [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20 13:25 ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:41   ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 14:26     ` Chet Ramey
2024-05-22 13:44     ` arnold
2024-05-20 13:54 ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-19 23:08 [TUHS] The 'usage: ...' message. (Was: On Bloat...) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20  0:58 ` [TUHS] " Rob Pike
2024-05-20  3:19   ` arnold
2024-05-20  9:20     ` [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 13:10       ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:30         ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 13:48           ` Chet Ramey

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