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Branden Robinson" To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20240525161320.3jvozzlgvr6tfyxl@illithid> References: <20240525155737.bwmngdyf4qnj4avv@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ofbzjtwk2mblaf4r" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: WIGRXBLBADKIIF2RRA3GVDLXSNNBCPOR X-Message-ID-Hash: WIGRXBLBADKIIF2RRA3GVDLXSNNBCPOR X-MailFrom: g.branden.robinson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --ofbzjtwk2mblaf4r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi Clem, At 2024-05-25T12:06:27-0400, Clem Cole wrote: > Ken [Arnold] was working in Ing70 [he was part of the Ingres group] - > IngVax did not yet exist, That does complicate my simplistic story. Ing70 was, then, as you noted in a previous mail, an 11/70, but it _wasn't_ running Version 7 Unix, but rather something with various bits of BSD (also in active development, I reckon). Nevertheless, I venture, the first officially distributed curses was in 4BSD, a VAX-only release. But, it stands to reason that BSD curses never got far from its -11-portable roots; it must have been obvious that the library would be desired on such hosts and the CSRG came to officially support it thus in 2.9BSD 3 years later. Hmm. I'll have to chew on how to recast that economically. Thanks for all the light you're throwing on this! 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