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Branden Robinson" To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20240525163810.flvazgbj6tq3l5rw@illithid> References: <20240525155737.bwmngdyf4qnj4avv@illithid> <20240525161320.3jvozzlgvr6tfyxl@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5fbwuthw4isger6p" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: OKQFUI72IMMSZEMKJOVRLGTNVLAAYNQF X-Message-ID-Hash: OKQFUI72IMMSZEMKJOVRLGTNVLAAYNQF X-MailFrom: g.branden.robinson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --5fbwuthw4isger6p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Clem, At 2024-05-25T12:21:17-0400, Clem Cole wrote: > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 12:13=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < > g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > > That does complicate my simplistic story. Ing70 was, then, as you noted > > in a previous mail, an 11/70, but it _wasn't_ running Version 7 Unix, > > but rather something with various bits of BSD (also in active > > development, I reckon). > > > Mumble -- the kernel and 90% of the userspace on Ing70 was V7 -- it was > very similar to Teklabs which I ran. Yes, sorry, I was hasty and sloppy. I should have qualified that "Version 7 Unix" with "pure". Though I wonder if anyone ran "pure" distributions of anything by today's standards, with our flatpaks and VM images and containers and distributions and Linux kernel "taint" flags. And, blessed be, our reproducible builds. So there is such a thing as progress. > The point is it was a 16 bits system, the Johnson C compiler with some > fixes from the greater USENIX community including UCB. > There was >>no port<< needed. >=20 > This was its native tongue. Okay. My crystal ball shows wordsmithing in my future. > It was >>included<< in later BSD released which is how people came to > know it because 4.XBSD was became much more widely used than V7+2BSD. Acknowledged. > The 2.9 work of Keith at al, started because the UCB Math Dept could > not afford a VAX. DEC had released the v7m code to support > overlays, so slowly changed from the VAX made it back into the V7 > based kernel - which took a new life. Ah, I'd never heard the actual origin story of later 2BSD's reason for parallel development. Thanks! Back when I was first learning Unix, a mere 30 years ago, I asked a local guru why the kernel image was called "vmunix" instead of just plain "unix". I got a correct answer, but then asked why you'd keep calling it "vmunix" when no non-VM Unix was even available for the platform. Historical inertia and the long shadow of the work that became 4BSD. (Linus's decision to name his kernel's image "vmlinux" [or "vmlinuz" for those remember having those lulz] when in its case no non-VM version had ever existed anywhere, nor even been desired or conceived, struck me as an excess of continuity.) Unix geeks are conservative about the weirdest things. 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