From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC327284 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5C94315F; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:05:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (arjuna.pair.com [209.68.5.131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 868F643159 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:05:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A665D8A7EC; Tue, 11 Jun 2024 10:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (57.89.115.87.dyn.plus.net [87.115.89.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D4D58A7DD; Tue, 11 Jun 2024 10:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6D8220BB; Tue, 11 Jun 2024 15:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: Ralph Corderoy To: tuhs@tuhs.org, groff@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: <20240611105120.k3jpky7fvmuc7wjy@illithid> References: <20240611105120.k3jpky7fvmuc7wjy@illithid> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 15:05:38 +0100 Message-Id: <20240611140538.6F6D8220BB@orac.inputplus.co.uk> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inputplus.co.uk; h=from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id; s=pair-202402161033; bh=9yG4U6JMq8teEX+OaL5d7TdYFhyZbb2/hojUxCV8glA=; b=HZEN0is4qd1GBfMpQlDUezGJBzU9uf60K5SQ6o45H2CfhJi51WCfezuc64l5740yMoJnXBNewkgA0n6OMwDSSWf16v9RK5ZcGNN+jwAPeiDsfJGahzaLs8njgUqQcg2SxuLoZb7DvhLgWue0YuE0NdJiNltaCFggnj+s6cDKKL3/esug/T0Lprmdt8fkdz50BQW+WrrUKq2NJ3px0c1psuTCX2bjIRh9RC4WiPlaCiwJ0cCdoWjC2jeiM3t0loo9NgdUQJVGTqf4xNl9fLfzk2hJRWkKI0Lj0ljZidmje0AJciHOdfX2NT8kbT3I04uVGTic9uWfuNhiiT7By2ml0A== X-Scanned-By: mailmunge 3.11 on 209.68.5.131 Message-ID-Hash: Q4BQMMRZIF4BZMDMMP3C7SXVVVFD6BWR X-Message-ID-Hash: Q4BQMMRZIF4BZMDMMP3C7SXVVVFD6BWR X-MailFrom: ralph@inputplus.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Draft: London and Reiser's UNIX/32V paper, reconstructed List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: G. Branden Robinson wrote: > For groff list subscribers, I will add, because people are accustomed > to me venturing radical suggestions for reforms of macro packages, > I suggest that we can get rid of groff mm's "MOVE" and "PGFORM" > extensions. They're buggy (as the man page has long conceded), and > I don't think anyone ever mastered them, not even their author. I have quite a lot of old troff -mm source containing lines like .PGFORM 21c-2i 29.7c-1.5i 1i 1 and they worked fine for me. Part of troff's attraction is it has reached an age where it doesn't have breaking changes. Perhaps they should be in a fork of groff. gbroff? Though I'd have though an entirely new formatter would give much more freedom for experimentation given modern input and output formats and greater processing power. Meanwhile, Werner's earlier groff is still available and other troffs exist. -- Cheers, Ralph.