[TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? The Register

[Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>]

This is all well and good but what I, and I suspect other boomers like me,
are looking for, is something like Ubuntu without systemd.  I'm a xubuntu
guy (Ubuntu with a lighter weight desktop), but whatever.  Ubuntu is fine,
everything works there.

So is there an "Everything just works" distro without systemd?  A guy can
hope but I suspect not.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass but I'm 62, I prefer to spend my
effort on fishing on the ocean, I'm not some young guy that wants to
put in a ton of hours on my Linux install, I like Linux because it is
Unix and it is trivial to install.  Windows?  Hours and hours of finding
drivers after you find some USB network connector that Windows knows?
No thanks.  *BSD - have you installed one of those?  It's a trip back
to the 1980s, those installers are fine for BSD developers but just suck
compared to Linux.  Mainstream Linux just works.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 10:27:29AM +1000, Alexis wrote:
> "Alan D. Salewski" <ads@salewski.email> writes:
> 
> >I'm interested in hearing about other options in this space,
> >too.
> 
> i'm currently running Gentoo+OpenRC as my daily driver, with OpenRC an
> 'official' Gentoo option.
> 
>  https://www.gentoo.org/
> 
> Previously i was running Void+s6/66, after having been running Void+runit,
> with runit being Void's default system (at least at the time).
> 
>  https://voidlinux.org/
> 
> Artix is an Arch-based non-systemd distro, with support for OpenRC, runit,
> s6 and dinit.
> 
>  https://artixlinux.org/
> 
> Obarun is an Arch-based distro using 66, which is roughly a 'wrapper' for
> s6, providing declarative syntax for service definition.
> 
>  https://wiki.obarun.org/
> 
> Not a distro, but the s6-overlay project allows using s6 as PID 1 in Docker
> containers:
> 
>  https://github.com/just-containers/s6-overlay
> 
> The developer of nosh has a page outlining the know problems with Sys V rc:
> 
>  https://jdebp.uk/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html
> 
> The developer of dinit has written a nice comparison of various non-systemd
> systems providing init / service supervision / service management:
> 
>  https://github.com/davmac314/dinit/blob/master/doc/COMPARISON
> 
> The developer of s6 has pages:
> 
> * explaining his perspective on various non-systemd systems:
> 
>  https://skarnet.org/software/s6/why.html
> 
> * providing a general overview of s6 itself:
> 
>  https://skarnet.org/software/s6/overview.html
> 
> * discussing s6's approach to 'socket activation', which uses file
> descriptors:
> 
>  https://skarnet.org/software/s6/socket-activation.html
> 
> (s6 is the system i'm most familiar with in this space, not least because
> i'm the porter and maintainer of mdoc(7) versions of the documentation for
> various parts of the s6/skaware ecosystem.)
> 
> 
> Alexis.

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