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From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>,
	Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>,
	The Unix Heritage Society mailing list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 09:43:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240617164356.GA27039@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2PdHFM9A7mBMZZ0cfVYXmYRBrVUKMYfzP5fbSSmge4sKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 11:56:55AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> What worked well was different flavors of the DFS and the later core idea
> of the VPROCS layer which I sorely miss, which allowed process migration -
> which w worked well and boy did I miss later in my career.  Admin of a
> Locus based system was a dream because it was just one system for up to
> 4096 nodes in a Paragon.   It also means you could migrate processes off a
> node, take the node down, reboot/change and bring it back. Very cool.
> After the first system was installed, adding a node was trivial, by the
> way.  You booted the node, "joined" the cluster, and were up. 

I'm so bummed this didn't make it in the market place.  I dreamed up my
own version of this, very similar, actually started BitMover to build
this but got side tracked onto BitKeeper to help Linus.

What I wanted, and sadly never got, was nodes that were small SMP
machines.  Maybe 4 way.  And a tricked up C that had simplistic 
objects built in, locks would be automatic for the most part so
when you accessed VOP_OPEN() the lock was taken automatically.

Yes, I know that won't scale but that's fine.  Scale it as far as
it can go, which is not far, and then cluster those SMP machines
to get further scaling.  

The vision was to maintain a simplistic OS, not the monstrosity that
Linux has become.  

For most people, a simplistic SMP OS would work fine.  Then introduce
the clustering to go from 4 way to 4096 way.

I gave a bunch of talks on it, I was pushing for it in the early 1990's.
I gave the talk to some VP at SGI and they promptly hired me.  Never 
got anywhere while I was there but I believe they did something like
that after I left.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-17 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-17  0:48 Noel Chiappa
2024-06-17  1:02 ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  3:56   ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  3:57     ` ron minnich
2024-06-17  5:41       ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17  5:51         ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-17 15:56           ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:00             ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17 16:59               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-17 16:43             ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2024-06-17 22:49         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-06-20 16:45 Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2024-06-20 18:32 ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-13 14:56 [TUHS] Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-06-13 15:33 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2024-06-13 15:35 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-13 15:41   ` Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 15:55   ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-13 15:39 ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Clem Cole
2024-06-13 16:47   ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:39     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-13 18:45       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Mychaela Falconia
2024-06-14  8:59         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-13 18:54       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dan Cross
2024-06-12 19:29         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' " Greg A. Woods
2024-06-13 20:03           ` Dan Cross
2024-06-13 17:07             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-14 14:17             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2024-06-16  5:48               ` Alexis
2024-06-15  8:48                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-16 19:44                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  0:10                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-06-17  0:29                       ` Clem Cole
2024-06-17  1:01                   ` Alexis
2024-06-17  1:21                     ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17  1:25                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17  1:32                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-17 19:21                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-17 19:28                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 22:34                         ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-16  7:57                           ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-17 23:44                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18  0:06                               ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-18 22:44                               ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-19  2:33                                 ` David Arnold
2024-06-18  1:52                             ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-18  4:52                               ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-18 22:50                                 ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-18 23:03                                   ` Warner Losh
2024-06-18 23:27                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-19  1:38                                     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-06-19  1:42                                       ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 23:28                                         ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20  5:01                                           ` Scot Jenkins via TUHS
2024-06-20  5:09                                             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20  5:18                                               ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 18:34                                             ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-20 18:41                                               ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 19:59                                                 ` Warner Losh
2024-06-20 20:12                                                   ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 20:22                                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-06-20 20:29                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-21 15:46                                                     ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:06                                                       ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:24                                                         ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 16:40                                                           ` Henry Bent
2024-06-21 16:52                                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-21 17:25                                                             ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 17:31                                                             ` Phil Budne
2024-06-21 17:55                                                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:19                                                   ` Clem Cole
2024-06-20 20:34                                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-20 21:00                                                     ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 21:53                                                       ` David Arnold
2024-06-20 22:00                                                         ` ron minnich
2024-06-20 22:11                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-20 22:35                                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-21 13:57                                                       ` Stuff Received
2024-06-20  8:05                                           ` Steve Nickolas
2024-06-19  2:38                                     ` David Arnold
2024-06-19 22:52                                     ` Greg A. Woods
2024-06-19  0:08                                   ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  0:46                                     ` Nevin Liber
2024-06-19  1:00                                       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-06-19  3:07                                       ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:14                                         ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  3:36                                           ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-19  6:50                                           ` arnold
2024-06-19 11:28                                             ` sjenkin
2024-06-19  9:00                                         ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-06-19 13:28                                       ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 14:44                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 14:53                                           ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-19 15:08                                             ` Warner Losh
2024-06-19 15:11                                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-06-19 15:16                                             ` ron minnich
2024-06-19 15:59                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-19 22:48                                           ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-20  5:14                                             ` David Arnold
2024-06-20  5:32                                               ` George Michaelson
2024-06-20  6:37                                                 ` Alexis
2024-06-20  7:07                                                   ` David Arnold
2024-06-21 15:41                               ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-21 15:38                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-06-20 20:14                       ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-06-16  6:43                 ` Wesley Parish
2024-06-16 21:56               ` David Arnold
2024-06-16 23:34                 ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-16 23:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2024-06-17 21:40                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2024-06-17  0:54                 ` Åke Nordin
2024-06-18  5:55                 ` Alexis
2024-06-18  6:39                   ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-13 19:37       ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alan D. Salewski
2024-06-13 20:05         ` Clem Cole
2024-06-13 20:31           ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-06-13 20:06         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-13 20:26           ` Jim Capp
2024-06-13 21:35           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  0:27         ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Alexis
2024-06-14  0:59           ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' ??? " Larry McVoy
2024-06-14  1:11             ` Luther Johnson
2024-06-14  1:42             ` Alexis
2024-06-14  4:22               ` ron minnich
2024-06-14  6:54               ` Angel M Alganza
2024-06-14  7:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14  7:33             ` arnold
2024-06-14  7:34             ` Andy Kosela
2024-06-14  7:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:31             ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-06-13 20:26     ` [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' • " Dave Horsfall
2024-06-14 11:32       ` Michael Kjörling
2024-06-14 12:21         ` A. P. Garcia
2024-06-18 12:02           ` Arrigo Triulzi via TUHS
2024-06-23  0:13         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-06-23  1:47           ` Alexis
2024-06-23 19:00             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-23 20:04               ` Alexander Schreiber
2024-06-24 13:50                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-06-24 14:21                   ` Dan Cross
2024-06-26  7:39                     ` Kevin Bowling
2024-06-24 15:03                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso

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