From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830C723E8E for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0301435E8; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 19:00:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (arjuna.pair.com [209.68.5.131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0746D42A7F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 19:00:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from arjuna.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F07C8A6B0; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 05:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (57.89.115.87.dyn.plus.net [87.115.89.57]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by arjuna.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BABC58A521; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 05:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orac.inputplus.co.uk (orac.inputplus.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by orac.inputplus.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8732E22057; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:00:00 +0100 (BST) From: Ralph Corderoy To: tuhs@tuhs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: References: <87msnl4ew0.fsf@gmail.com> <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> <9f9db0d2-8a6a-26cc-a0ba-b6fc5d6474cb@makerlisp.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:00:00 +0100 Message-Id: <20240619090000.8732E22057@orac.inputplus.co.uk> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inputplus.co.uk; h=from:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id; s=pair-202402161033; bh=2Ab0MTquVr/ZLZ1PpmkQkE0i/1l+NYuGFaf9DqNumFs=; b=UFXWuMUdmiXATm9V4URT6e1hsb3ZSUqQyr7Y0vACG4znDmeuBMZlGv+PvoEFpMUzosbYUKr+SR5/nebR5Hdu1onv0eg2G/RWKn03nRZXwmUAFnzVChemua8XX9FuuLGgA4eUsimL+PZqL8KvLe+QEUY4ScdFc2sZ/Ywon/K3mD2o8vawXdQbbBLAhVy37EL4a27/wixL5UiayutM3lt7C8qOnn4/yqQnoF+0oyJkPk9DOT2xZi5bOe3dqnIGsAu3Mr0xXJ8N/KHT5T6Os1xVhz/xx/3UdwrChduCznAYy2FJG7g/igWFlJg2KrIXaE3DDuwhaPkYm7CjJqdophXv/w== X-Scanned-By: mailmunge 3.11 on 209.68.5.131 Message-ID-Hash: F3OHWL7VJQZB44XBJCHPHMW3XLWOVT5P X-Message-ID-Hash: F3OHWL7VJQZB44XBJCHPHMW3XLWOVT5P X-MailFrom: ralph@inputplus.co.uk X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "Eric S. Raymond" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Luther Johnson: > And when I have to debug or change something about the build, it's > MUCH easier to work with makefiles and build scripts than it is to > extend configure scripts, or extend a build-specification in > a build-tool-specific language. In my experience, so far. Eric Raymond recently started autodafe which chews over autotools' inputs and outputs to simplify its use or help move away from it to an editable makefile. https://gitlab.com/esr/autodafe/-/blob/master/README.adoc -- Cheers, Ralph.