From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF162405F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:54:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561B74332F; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 00:54:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C46343318 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 2024 00:54:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 8B00D35E41B; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:53:59 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Warner Losh Message-ID: <20240619145359.GA24884@mcvoy.com> References: <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> <9f9db0d2-8a6a-26cc-a0ba-b6fc5d6474cb@makerlisp.com> <20240619132846.GR32048@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: NQUTZ4LH4GAXGR33D2S7UTV3JCPNAC2G X-Message-ID-Hash: NQUTZ4LH4GAXGR33D2S7UTV3JCPNAC2G X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 08:44:14AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 7:28???AM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 07:46:15PM -0500, Nevin Liber wrote: > > > But I'll bite. There was the claim by Larry McVoy that "Writing > > Makefiles > > > isn't that hard". > > > > > > Please show these beautiful makefiles for a non-toy non-trivial product > > > > Works on *BSD, MacOS, Windows, Linux on a bunch of different architectures, > > Solaris, HPUX, AIX, IRIX, Tru64, etc. > > > > The posted Makefile is no a strictly conforming POSIX Makefile, but uses > gmake extensions extensively... And eyes of the beholder may vary... Yeah, I lost that battle. I prefer, and carry around the sources to, a make from Unix. It's simple and does what I need. But my guys convinced me there was enough value in gmake that we used it. I tried to keep the craziness to a minimum. And I think I succeeded, I can fix bugs in that Makefile.