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On Thu, Jul 04, 2024 at 04:53:17PM +1000, Rob Pike wrote:
> Architecture people: please just let me pretend your CPU is like a
> PDP-11. No surprises, OK? I'll handle the complaints about irrelevance
> in the modern age.

Funny you should say that.  My kid is learning how to code and I told 
him to learn PDP-11 (or these days, probably ARM if that isn't all
messed up) and then pretend that everything works like that.  It's
a fine mental model.  Trying to develop that mental model in the
chaos that is x86_64, I'm not sure that is even possible.  It would
take a long time.  I think you can learn a PDP-11, as a newbie, in
a month or two.  

So +1 for what Rob said.