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From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix?
Date: 5 Jul 2024 19:17:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240705231714.5F0E58EE123E@ary.qy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240705214901.GR26356@mcvoy.com>

According to Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>:
>> It did, but it was word addressed which makes it an historical
>> curiosity like its spiritual predecessors PDP-4/5/7/8/9.
>> 
>> I also have a mental model of a PDP-11 but these days it's more a simplified 386
>> leaving out the dumb or useless stuff.  
>
>I took a look at x86 in 386/486 days and found it to be enough of a mess that
>I stopped looking.  In no way did it compare the simplicity and elegance 
>of the PDP-11. 

If you're looking for simplicity and elegance, I can still remember most
of the PDP-8's instruction codes so I could disassemble at sight.  But
it's not a very good model for a modern computer.

I realized a while ago that the only really important things in an
architecture are the addressing model, e.g., flat byte addressed
little-endian, and the data formats, e.g., two's complement integers,
ASCII or UTF-8 text, IEEE floating point.  

Back in the day getting a program to act the same on different
computers, was really hard, with the switch from IBM 7090 (36 bit word
addressed binary floating point) to IBM 360 (32 or 64 bit byte
addressed hex floating point) the most famous example. These days we
write code and compile it for x64 or ARM or RISC-V and for the most
part, it just works because the data formats and addressing are all
the same.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-05 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03  4:51 [TUHS] " sjenkin
2024-07-03  5:02 ` [TUHS] " Al Kossow
2024-07-03  6:46   ` arnold
2024-07-03 14:04   ` Clem Cole
2024-07-03 15:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-03 15:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-03 14:59   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:35     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04 13:00       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03  9:04 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-07-03 15:17 ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-03 15:35   ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 17:39     ` Jon Forrest
2024-07-03 17:49       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-03 18:16         ` Erik E. Fair
2024-07-03 19:58         ` Rich Salz
2024-07-03 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 23:23       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 23:26       ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-04 23:26         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 15:37   ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:01     ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:05       ` Warner Losh
2024-07-03 23:29   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:50     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04  8:23     ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-04 20:34       ` Nevin Liber
2024-07-04 20:44         ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04 21:41           ` sjenkin
     [not found]             ` <7AC009E5-C985-44AD-A55E-E0BFC05CDD31@serissa.com>
2024-07-05  9:41               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  9:47               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  0:03         ` Stuff Received
2024-07-05  0:12           ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05  2:24             ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-05  2:42               ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  7:13                 ` arnold
2024-07-05  7:42                   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  8:20                     ` arnold
2024-07-05  8:52                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-05  7:36               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05 10:18                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 21:38                   ` [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " John Levine
2024-07-05 21:49                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 22:08                       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-05 22:24                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 23:17                       ` John Levine [this message]
2024-07-06 12:52                         ` sjenkin
2024-07-06 14:02                           ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 15:58                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-06 20:56                             ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 21:32                               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-06 23:46                                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-07 17:43                                   ` James Frew
2024-07-07  1:39                                 ` John Levine
2024-07-07  3:26                                   ` [TUHS] Re: PL.8 [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-08 21:39                                 ` [TUHS] " Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:14                                   ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-09  1:04                                     ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:17                                   ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-09  0:08                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  2:40                                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-09  2:43                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-07-09  4:23                                         ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  5:06                                         ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-07  5:33                         ` arnold
2024-07-05 22:10                     ` Dan Cross
2024-07-07 22:00                   ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2024-07-07 23:28                     ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08  6:17                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  6:27                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-07-08  6:51                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  9:36                           ` David Arnold
2024-07-08  6:59                       ` arnold
2024-07-08 13:22                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-08 15:37                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08 17:22                             ` Tom Lyon
2024-07-08 17:04                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-08 15:28                         ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08 15:33                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-09 22:54                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-10 13:18                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-07-10 14:29                             ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:21                     ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:35                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08 12:29                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 16:40                 ` Jon Steinhart
2024-07-06 13:20                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05  0:08       ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-04  1:53 ` John Levine
2024-07-04  2:59   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04  6:53     ` Rob Pike
2024-07-04 15:07       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-07 13:57 [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " Noel Chiappa
2024-07-07 16:43 ` John Levine
2024-07-10  2:20 Douglas McIlroy

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