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From: "John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix?
Date: 6 Jul 2024 21:39:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240707013933.5579F8EF1AA8@ary.qy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abe866a1-9b42-4f33-9007-38803a80a95f@technologists.com>

It appears that Charles H Sauer (he/him) <sauer@technologists.com> said:
>I like the 80% explanation, but suspect PL.8 was really named PL.8 to go 
>along with the 801 processor architecture defined in Building 801 aka 
>Thomas J. Watson Research Center in Yorktown Heights. There are probably 
>living Yorktown alumni that could be definitive.

John Cocke said in a paper in IBM J R&D V44 #1/2, Jan 2000, p 50:

 The result [of the language design] was the PL.8 language, the
 ".8" implying that it had about 80% of the richness of PL/I.
 PL.8 bore the same relation to PL/I as the 801 architecture
 had to System/370.

Not gonna argue with him.

>I found PL/I quite usable as long as one kept it simple. But then, I 
>also found Fortran usable as long as one kept it simple. Regarding 
>Fortran portability, I did all my dissertation work on punched cards 
>using CDC Fortran on the 6400/6600 at the UT-Austin computation center. 
>I brought several boxes of cards to Yorktown and don't remember any 
>significant difficulty getting my simulator and other programs to run on 
>VM/370 there. The absence of pointers and structures in Fortran was 
>annoying. Eventually I used SNOBOL to quickly translate the Fortran to 
>PL/I (https://technologists.com/sauer/RESQPPP.pdf).

For the most part Fortran could be pretty portable.  The hard parts 
were when you were trying to get reliable numeric results in complex
calculations, or you were doing stuff that Fortran didn't do very
well like pre-F77 string handling.

R's,
JOhn

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-07  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-03  4:51 [TUHS] " sjenkin
2024-07-03  5:02 ` [TUHS] " Al Kossow
2024-07-03  6:46   ` arnold
2024-07-03 14:04   ` Clem Cole
2024-07-03 15:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-07-03 15:36       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-03 14:59   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:35     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04 13:00       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03  9:04 ` A. P. Garcia
2024-07-03 15:17 ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-03 15:35   ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 17:39     ` Jon Forrest
2024-07-03 17:49       ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-03 18:16         ` Erik E. Fair
2024-07-03 19:58         ` Rich Salz
2024-07-03 23:15     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 23:23       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-03 23:26       ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-04 23:26         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-03 15:37   ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:01     ` Al Kossow
2024-07-03 16:05       ` Warner Losh
2024-07-03 23:29   ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-03 23:50     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-04  8:23     ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2024-07-04 20:34       ` Nevin Liber
2024-07-04 20:44         ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04 21:41           ` sjenkin
     [not found]             ` <7AC009E5-C985-44AD-A55E-E0BFC05CDD31@serissa.com>
2024-07-05  9:41               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  9:47               ` Steve Jenkin
2024-07-05  0:03         ` Stuff Received
2024-07-05  0:12           ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05  2:24             ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-05  2:42               ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  7:13                 ` arnold
2024-07-05  7:42                   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-07-05  8:20                     ` arnold
2024-07-05  8:52                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-07-05  7:36               ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05 10:18                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 21:38                   ` [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " John Levine
2024-07-05 21:49                     ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 22:08                       ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-05 22:24                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-05 23:17                       ` John Levine
2024-07-06 12:52                         ` sjenkin
2024-07-06 14:02                           ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 15:58                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-06 20:56                             ` John R Levine
2024-07-06 21:32                               ` Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-06 23:46                                 ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-07 17:43                                   ` James Frew
2024-07-07  1:39                                 ` John Levine [this message]
2024-07-07  3:26                                   ` [TUHS] Re: PL.8 [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-07-08 21:39                                 ` [TUHS] " Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:14                                   ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-09  1:04                                     ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-08 22:17                                   ` Rik Farrow
2024-07-09  0:08                                     ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  2:40                                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-09  2:43                                         ` Warner Losh
2024-07-09  4:23                                         ` Adam Thornton
2024-07-09  5:06                                         ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-07  5:33                         ` arnold
2024-07-05 22:10                     ` Dan Cross
2024-07-07 22:00                   ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2024-07-07 23:28                     ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08  6:17                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  6:27                       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2024-07-08  6:51                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08  9:36                           ` David Arnold
2024-07-08  6:59                       ` arnold
2024-07-08 13:22                         ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-08 15:37                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-08 17:22                             ` Tom Lyon
2024-07-08 17:04                           ` Clem Cole
2024-07-08 15:28                         ` Brad Spencer
2024-07-08 15:33                           ` Al Kossow
2024-07-09 22:54                         ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-10 13:18                           ` Chet Ramey via TUHS
2024-07-10 14:29                             ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:21                     ` John Levine
2024-07-08  0:35                       ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-08 12:29                     ` Peter Yardley
2024-07-05 16:40                 ` Jon Steinhart
2024-07-06 13:20                   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-05  0:08       ` Marc Rochkind
2024-07-04  1:53 ` John Levine
2024-07-04  2:59   ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-07-04  6:53     ` Rob Pike
2024-07-04 15:07       ` Larry McVoy
2024-07-07 13:57 [TUHS] Re: mental architecture models, " Noel Chiappa
2024-07-07 16:43 ` John Levine
2024-07-10  2:20 Douglas McIlroy

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