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From: Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu>
To: markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: When did "man cal" lose the comment about 1752?
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:22:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240716202214.oppWyEEQ@steffen%sdaoden.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1sTc9e-0hh-00@marmaro.de>

markus schnalke wrote in
 <1sTc9e-0hh-00@marmaro.de>:
 |[2024-07-15 15:52] Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
 |>
 |>> Yeah, but if you do that you have to treat the places
 |>> acquired in the Louisiana Purchase differently because
 |>> they switched in 1582.  And Puerto Rico.  Bleh.
 |> 
 |> Then there are all the German city states. And the
 |> shifting borders of Poland. (cal -s country) is a mighty
 |> low-res "solution" to the Julian/Gregorian problem.
 |
 |Several of these small entities, adopting the Gregorian calendar at
 |different times, you can see in this lenghty list:
 | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorianischer_Kalender#%C3%9Cbernahme_de\
 | s_gregorianischen_Kalenders
 |(in German)

But mostly is Katholischer Teil (Corpus Catholicorum) early (a
year late) / Evangelischer Teil (Corpus Evangelicorum) of the
Heiliges Römisches Reich (holy roman empire) später (18.2. ->
1.3.1700).  I would say, dependent on where you are, saying goes
for the former or the latter to this very day.  Aka i think
i recall that posted to a similar thread in the past, quoting an
article from the german computer magazine c't 15/1997, back from
when i still gave (lots of diversely spread) money to german
journalists; that i just pasted documentation comments, and that
included (it included Gaius Julius Caesar back then i think)

  * Whereas (parts of \ldots) Germany, for example, adopted it in 1700 (i think),
  * Great Britain did so in 1752;
  * many countries adopted it in between 1912 and 1974, on the other hand.

and

  * Furthermore, DateTime describes itself as a set of date algorithms,
  * which are influenced by Timezone (and sometimes Locale) objects.
  * This implies that we don't know much of the country or region;
  * the timezone "Europe/Berlin", for example,
  * applies to all of Germany \e today,
  * which cannot be compared to the bunch of principalities which existed in the
  * year 1700!

Now again, what a pity.

I think it is remarkable as traditionally we kept it "holding on
the inside", ie working ourselves out with all the little states,
borders, taxes, etc., with a little bit of swinging and such
dependent on "good king / bad king" time passages.  Except for
maybe the crusades (though good kings died before reaching the
holy land imho), but even those came to an end at times.  Bring
the boys back home!  (Which rhymes to bring the boys' backbone, in
respect to the "traditional german burial" Mos Teutonicus.  Hihi.)

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-16 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-15 19:52 [TUHS] " Douglas McIlroy
2024-07-16  6:59 ` [TUHS] " markus schnalke
2024-07-16 20:22   ` Steffen Nurpmeso [this message]
2024-07-16 21:21     ` segaloco via TUHS
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-07-11  4:20 Rudi Blom
2024-07-11  1:24 [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2024-07-11  1:44 ` [TUHS] " Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2024-07-11  3:10   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-11 19:31   ` Stuff Received
2024-07-11  1:53 ` Henry Bent
2024-07-11  3:29   ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-14 19:04   ` Greg A. Woods
2024-07-14 21:15 ` Marc Donner
2024-07-15 14:00   ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-15 18:21     ` Marc Donner
2024-07-15 18:41       ` Phil Budne
2024-07-15 17:44   ` Greg A. Woods
2024-07-15 19:03     ` Ken Thompson
2024-07-15 19:04       ` Ken Thompson
2024-07-15 20:02         ` Jaap Akkerhuis via TUHS
2024-07-15 19:33       ` Marc Donner
2024-07-16 15:54         ` Paul Winalski

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