[TUHS] Robert Morris's UUCP

[TUHS] Robert Morris's UUCP

[arnold]

The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.
Did that ever see the light of day anywhere? V9? V10?

Just wondering.

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Chet Ramey via TUHS]

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On 1/15/25 10:31 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.

He described the work in CSTR 111, which is unfortunately not in the
TUHS archive.

> Did that ever see the light of day anywhere? V9? V10?

I don't believe so.

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		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[arnold]

Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:

> On 1/15/25 10:31 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.
>
> He described the work in CSTR 111, which is unfortunately not in the
> TUHS archive.

Thanks Chet.  Does anyone have this? Doug?

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Chet Ramey via TUHS]

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On 1/16/25 2:52 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/15/25 10:31 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>>> The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.
>>
>> He described the work in CSTR 111, which is unfortunately not in the
>> TUHS archive.
> 
> Thanks Chet.  Does anyone have this? Doug?

I looked through my paper collection and I have it. I'll try and scan it
(my scanner's not that great).

Chet


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		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Chet Ramey via TUHS]

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On 1/16/25 11:39 AM, Chet Ramey wrote:
> On 1/16/25 2:52 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>> Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/15/25 10:31 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>>>> The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.
>>>
>>> He described the work in CSTR 111, which is unfortunately not in the
>>> TUHS archive.
>>
>> Thanks Chet.  Does anyone have this? Doug?
> 
> I looked through my paper collection and I have it. I'll try and scan it
> (my scanner's not that great).

OK, I scanned it and sent it to Warren for the archive. The quality's not
that great, so let's see if rtm can provide a higher-quality PDF.

Chet

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		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Warren Toomey via TUHS]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 11:47:09AM -0500, Chet Ramey via TUHS wrote:
> OK, I scanned [CSTR 111] and sent it to Warren for the archive. The
> quality's not that great, so let's see if rtm can provide a higher-quality
> PDF.
> 
> Chet

It's now available at
https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/TechReports/Bell_Labs/CSTRs/111.pdf

Many thanks Chet!!
	Warren

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Dan Cross]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 11:39 AM Chet Ramey via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
> On 1/16/25 2:52 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:
> >> On 1/15/25 10:31 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> >>> The Reeds paper mentions that Robert Morris rewrote UUCP.
> >>
> >> He described the work in CSTR 111, which is unfortunately not in the
> >> TUHS archive.
> >
> > Thanks Chet.  Does anyone have this? Doug?
>
> I looked through my paper collection and I have it. I'll try and scan it
> (my scanner's not that great).

I wonder if rtm has an electronic copy. Has anyone written to him to ask?

        - Dan C.

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Chet Ramey via TUHS]

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On 1/16/25 11:50 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

> I wonder if rtm has an electronic copy. Has anyone written to him to ask?

Yes, Arnold contacted him directly.

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		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[arnold]

Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu> wrote:

> On 1/16/25 11:50 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
>
> > I wonder if rtm has an electronic copy. Has anyone written to him to ask?
>
> Yes, Arnold contacted him directly.
>
> -- 
> ``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
> 		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
> Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU    chet@case.edu    http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/

And he doesn't have a copy. Sigh.

Chet, can you find a better scanner? In any case , thanks!

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Norman Wilson]

Robert's uucp was in use in the Research world when I arrived
in late summer of 1984.  It had an interesting and sensible
structure; in particular uucico was split into two programs,
ci and co.

One of the first things I was asked to do when I got there was
to get Honey Danber working as a replacement.  I don't remember
why that was preferred; possibly just because Robert was a
summer student, not a full-fledged member of the lab, and we
didn't want something as important to us as uucp to rely on
orphaned code.

Honey Danber was in place by the time we made the V8 tape,
toward the end of 1984.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[George Michaelson]

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I often repeat a throwaway sentence that UUCP was Lesk, building a bug fix
distribution mechanism.

Am I completely wrong? I am sure Mike said this to me mid 80s.

Not that subsequent codeword didn't happen.

G

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025, 2:24 am Norman Wilson, <norman@oclsc.org> wrote:

> Robert's uucp was in use in the Research world when I arrived
> in late summer of 1984.  It had an interesting and sensible
> structure; in particular uucico was split into two programs,
> ci and co.
>
> One of the first things I was asked to do when I got there was
> to get Honey Danber working as a replacement.  I don't remember
> why that was preferred; possibly just because Robert was a
> summer student, not a full-fledged member of the lab, and we
> didn't want something as important to us as uucp to rely on
> orphaned code.
>
> Honey Danber was in place by the time we made the V8 tape,
> toward the end of 1984.
>
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
>

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[TUHS] Robert Morris's UUCP

[Douglas McIlroy]

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> I often repeat a throwaway sentence that UUCP was Lesk,
> building a bug fix distribution mechanism.

> Am I completely wrong? I am sure Mike said this to me mid 80s.

That was an important motivating factor, but Mike also had an
unerring anticipatory sense of public "need".  Thus his programs
spread like wildfire despite their bugs. UUCP itself is the premier
example. Its popularity impelled its inclusion in v7 despite its
woeful disregard for security.

> Does anyone have [Robert Morris's UUCP CSTR]? Doug?

Not I.

Doug

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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[arnold]

Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> > I often repeat a throwaway sentence that UUCP was Lesk,
> > building a bug fix distribution mechanism.
>
> > Am I completely wrong? I am sure Mike said this to me mid 80s.
>
> That was an important motivating factor, but Mike also had an
> unerring anticipatory sense of public "need".  Thus his programs
> spread like wildfire despite their bugs. UUCP itself is the premier
> example. Its popularity impelled its inclusion in v7 despite its
> woeful disregard for security.
>
> > Does anyone have [Robert Morris's UUCP CSTR]? Doug?
>
> Not I.

I have just sent him an email directly asking if he
has a copy.  If anything comes of it I'll send it on.

Thanks,

Arnold

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Marc Donner]

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Michael has explained his authorship of UUCP as a stop gap.  The networking
team was building the real solution and it was due in three weeks.  So he
wrote UUCP to fill in until the official solution arrived.

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 11:05 AM Douglas McIlroy <
douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> > I often repeat a throwaway sentence that UUCP was Lesk,
> > building a bug fix distribution mechanism.
>
> > Am I completely wrong? I am sure Mike said this to me mid 80s.
>
> That was an important motivating factor, but Mike also had an
> unerring anticipatory sense of public "need".  Thus his programs
> spread like wildfire despite their bugs. UUCP itself is the premier
> example. Its popularity impelled its inclusion in v7 despite its
> woeful disregard for security.
>
> > Does anyone have [Robert Morris's UUCP CSTR]? Doug?
>
> Not I.
>
> Doug
>

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[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Alexander Schreiber]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 02:29:23PM -0500, Marc Donner wrote:
> Michael has explained his authorship of UUCP as a stop gap.  The networking
> team was building the real solution and it was due in three weeks.  So he
> wrote UUCP to fill in until the official solution arrived.

And it's still around many, many years later, as is typical for "this is
just a temporary solution" - I'm still getting my mail via UUCP these
days (although it's UUCP-over-VPN-over-IP).

Kind regards,
           Alex.
-- 
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
 looks like work."                                      -- Thomas A. Edison

[TUHS] Re: Robert Morris's UUCP

[Aaron]

Mike was tired of the constant calls to redistribute one of his highly popular software features or fixes, so he wrote uucp to ease the distribution of.his and others’ on the sixth floor. I then added a self-serve layer that I used to upgrade and test all the pass-through packages USG made no changes to that were not 

Aaron 


> On Jan 16, 2025, at 11:15 AM, Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> 
> I.