From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1641308BD for ; Wed, 7 May 2025 04:55:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15E243FB9; Wed, 7 May 2025 12:55:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E80243FB8 for ; Wed, 7 May 2025 12:55:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id E4D0935E9E2; Tue, 6 May 2025 19:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 19:55:26 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Alan Coopersmith Message-ID: <20250507025526.GC17185@mcvoy.com> References: <2e5ee2ad-84b5-4aed-9eda-c9ee7a55e26f@oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2e5ee2ad-84b5-4aed-9eda-c9ee7a55e26f@oracle.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: GBVJOZ7BAQPN7N2PZFYVYD4YRVNJ2A7O X-Message-ID-Hash: GBVJOZ7BAQPN7N2PZFYVYD4YRVNJ2A7O X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: ATC'25 is the last ATC? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, May 06, 2025 at 07:11:26PM -0700, Alan Coopersmith via TUHS wrote: > On 5/6/25 15:52, Dan Cross wrote: > >I just heard that, after ATC'25, USENIX will be sunsetting the annual > >technical conference: this will apparently be the last one. > > > >I can't find any reference for it, though, and the web site mentions > >ATC'26 in Seattle? > > See https://www.usenix.org/blog/usenix-atc-announcement I might regret this in the morning but I'd like to share when Usenix ceased to matter to me. I was the program committee chair for the 1999 Linux Expo which was a Usenix alternative. Before I go on, there is some back story. I reviewed papers for Usenix a bunch. One of the best papers I ever reviewed is this one: http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/papers/rtlmanifesto.pdf It got rejected, not on merit, but because Victor was not in the club, he was an unknown. Rob Gingell, someone I feared and respected, said he rejected it "because it wasn't posix". Not Rob's best day, the whole point was posix couldn't do what Victor did. Read that paper, it did real time right, nobody else has come close to do real time and time sharing. They fight each other. In 1999 when I was going to that conference, Ellie reached out to me and begged me to bring Linux to Usenix. She said I could have whatever I wanted, on the program committee for life, whatever I wanted. I asked for blind peer reviews. She said no. I used to love Usenix, I've written papers that were published there, but Usenix is dead to me. They did it to themselves. -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat