From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5912B25646 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 03:55:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EC343B26; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:55:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A90B843B25 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:55:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 2FB9D35E98C; Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 18:55:09 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Tom Lyon Message-ID: <20250813015509.GA17097@mcvoy.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Message-ID-Hash: R2QYCJEHP34AP2YZLWXXVHKJCUB2UTVN X-Message-ID-Hash: R2QYCJEHP34AP2YZLWXXVHKJCUB2UTVN X-MailFrom: lm@mcvoy.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: NFS 40th anniversary event List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 05:59:24PM -0700, Tom Lyon wrote: > Part of https://www.msstconference.org/ > > Love it or hate it, should be something for everyone I think Sun people love it, because the Sun implementation just worked, the rest of the world mostly hates it. I learned this when I left Sun and got to use other NFS implementations, they sucked. We supported BitKeeper on NFS which meant we had to do lock files on NFS on all platforms. Believe me when I say I know that other NFS implementations were a mess. Read all the drama here: https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper/blob/master/src/port/sccs_lockfile.c I really didn't get the NFS hate until I left Sun. Sun ran their entire company on NFS (and the automounter). The whole experience was super pleasant and it just worked. Other companies didn't work as hard on their implementation, I got the feeling it was "well, we have to support this but don't really want to". And it showed. I believe later versions of Linux approached SunOS level of NFS. -- --- Larry McVoy Retired to fishing http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat