From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29338 invoked from network); 21 May 2020 19:24:58 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 May 2020 19:24:58 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9B7DE9C90E; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:24:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFC39C909; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:24:38 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; secure) header.d=comcast.net header.i=@comcast.net header.b="ZVuWD3j8"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 505209C909; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:24:37 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 488 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:24:36 AEST Received: from resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ABD49C851 for ; Fri, 22 May 2020 05:24:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.244]) by resqmta-po-05v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id bqbTj9eGFGkJ7bqg7jqFco; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:16:27 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=20190202a; t=1590088587; bh=QAogS6FKyJ7EpxUeslGELh6el4N2WVGqUp+BcrKEpMY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZVuWD3j8F1YLSzkxOw5ZoI9HByEj262D9SyKFEMBrsLwz62s7ah/8kWJPUQNwfoYN AY/+qSNRfv+mXJhdKh8cBISvOa+7ofRyWdfOxTvVc/rzyte5+I/MvTXNB9yLRqb9tS N2ptFKWuHBwWGfeBzfLXFbl/EgicHwGCDx0esAzOMIHIuRfIh4chJwdeuJhUiyhgAO 9eDVZx/vGbTLbDO7GR+aU4+ZJJGNJxFXl0EXyGiXVcVAjPu7C4lY9oce3z/xmDRO6w kK8zqWPQgTa8KCLyDJ4V0KxN/qtBSJA6A1WFfxNyH8ygkQCuOkj1Oa0bRL+0VU7POi 2+8Jk5tPF6ImA== Received: from oxapp-hoa-09o.email.comcast.net ([96.116.224.236]) by resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id bqg6jrRyP94bFbqg6jrcX2; Thu, 21 May 2020 19:16:27 +0000 X-Xfinity-VAAS: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduhedrudduuddguddvhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucevohhmtggrshhtqdftvghsihdpqfgfvfdppffquffrtefokffrnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecuogfthfevqddquegrugfkmhhpohhrthgrnhgtvgculddvtddmnecujfgurhepfffhvffkjghfufggtgfgrfgkofhisehtjegstdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpeevjfettffngffuucfmgffuvffgtfcuoegtohhrkhihudelhedusegtohhmtggrshhtrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefggeelvedvuedukefftdevhfdvgffggeejffelhedtjedtteduffdvvefgjeekveenucfkphepleeirdduudeirddvvdegrddvfeeipdeijedrudejtddruddvhedrvdegkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopehogigrphhpqdhhohgrqddtlehordgvmhgrihhlrdgtohhmtggrshhtrdhnvghtpdhinhgvthepleeirdduudeirddvvdegrddvfeeipdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptghorhhkhiduleehudestghomhgtrghsthdrnhgvthdprhgtphhtthhopehtuhhhshesthhuhhhsrdhorhhg X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=20.00;st=legit Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: CHARLES KESTER To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <203511515.810845.1590088586459@connect.xfinity.com> In-Reply-To: <202005211735.04LHZoUr006011@freefriends.org> References: <8a2e9b1b-8890-a783-5b53-c8480c070f2e@telegraphics.com.au> <202005211735.04LHZoUr006011@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.0-Rev31 X-Originating-IP: ::ffff:67.170.125.248 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite Subject: Re: [TUHS] History of popularity of C X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > On May 21, 2020 at 10:35 AM arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > C++ became the language of choice on the PC when MSFT started pushing > its compiler and Visual Studio IDE. Microsoft C 7.0 already had a C++ compiler and an early version of MFC in 1992. But you're right: it was when Visual C++ 1.0 came out in 1993 that C++ became really popular among developers targeting Windows. VC1.0 introduced "wizards" for MFC that produced a skeleton application to which many people had to make only a few additions in order to come up with a shippable product. The market was soon flooded with apps that had what I called a "wizard smell". (The more charitable phrase was "look and feel".) Of course, as with all framework-based code, wizard-generated apps couldn't distinguish themselves in the market for very long and the bar was raised. But by then C++ was well-established as the language of choice. None of which has anything to do with Unix, I admit.