From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29981 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2022 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Jun 2022 20:46:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC534013E; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:46:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (unknown [195.121.94.167]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F1B04013C for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 06:46:07 +1000 (AEST) X-KPN-MessageId: ce7c53b9-f4c7-11ec-92d5-005056abbe64 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.39]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id ce7c53b9-f4c7-11ec-92d5-005056abbe64; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 22:45:54 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=planet.nl; s=planet01; h=to:message-id:date:from:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=DvbOPOuPBQztPQlNVabhPp4o4fxGrrupylZvjE6DWwc=; b=g82ONLYSUxbx8OOKJqpY+uOu5dnlCYJZCNpu3or/8SO/ZIMFzz20wRHyrdG9O1NNwvFzxMDX7bL3z gnlMkuDF1X3d6c7/HHwecTqQXDJPGL7dvKVlbxtxYxsKh5tSE+iSBO4hi5LR+ejR80c4fk/x9yiJ3Z SdoVtD2wvAZDsyEM= X-KPN-MID: 33|FU0HC9fYanu67FUgODf/fG4IUrsBDQHRsNnQaocf+SpQGIKUX9DlhwdAejsSuOn ECEzuEzN1FmthXKRKSCVgHooZ5zY9qaxTa0SqEnxUmls= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|DlHK+pt9Zgu2er9o3fwDlBFi1A1HFPB4Kaj9YAB7nQF+XhggJIWDzoEH1iQa9UY Qkyn4+C+FqJIJDVWg6lqlpw== X-Originating-IP: 77.172.38.96 Received: from smtpclient.apple (77-172-38-96.fixed.kpn.net [77.172.38.96]) by smtp.kpnmail.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id ced57a1d-f4c7-11ec-b8b0-005056ab7447; Sat, 25 Jun 2022 22:45:55 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) From: Paul Ruizendaal In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 22:45:54 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <249B533B-E8D4-462C-8A6D-16A198BA055D@planet.nl> References: <38ED67E4-4D75-47A8-BA44-4A08DF487EC2@planet.nl> To: Anthony Martin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Message-ID-Hash: US4DK44Z2HOU6ZMJYJX3YSIVLRZLCXMH X-Message-ID-Hash: US4DK44Z2HOU6ZMJYJX3YSIVLRZLCXMH X-MailFrom: pnr@planet.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On 25 Jun 2022, at 21:16, Anthony Martin wrote: >=20 > The following papers are a good overview of Datakit and its > predecessors. >=20 > A. Fraser, "Towards a Universal Data Transport System," in IEEE > Journal on Selected Areas in Communications, vol. 1, no. 5, pp. > 803-816, November 1983, doi: 10.1109/JSAC.1983.1145998. >=20 > A. G. Fraser, "Early experiments with asynchronous time division > networks," in IEEE Network, vol. 7, no. 1, pp. 12-26, Jan. 1993, > doi:10.1109/65.193084. >=20 > The latter mentions Plan 9 but only in passing. Yes, those are great papers - unfortunately behind a paywall. There is a great 1994 video on Youtube by Sandy Fraser himself that more = or less follows the 1993 paper:=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DojRtJ1U6Qzw As Doug mentioned on this list, Sandy Fraser passed away earlier this = month. In the past years I=E2=80=99ve worked on understanding (early) Datakit = and Sandy Fraser and his wife were most kind with assistance looking for = papers. I=E2=80=99ve also benefitted from the input of Bill Marshall and = of course Doug McIlroy. I=E2=80=99ll share my summary of Research = Datakit in a separate post. Paul > Paul Ruizendaal once said: >> Probably you will see echoes of this in early Plan9 network code, but = I have not studied that. >=20 > As someone how has studied Plan 9 extensively, though with no insider > knowledge, it's definitely noticeable. >=20 > "In the aftermath, perhaps the most valuable effect of dealing with > Datakit was to encourage the generalized and flexible approach to > networking begun in 8th edition Unix that is carried forward into Plan > 9." - dmr (2004) >=20 > Cheers, > Anthony