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Ip=[59.148.14.54]; Helo=[exchange.superglobalmegacorp.local] X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: HybridOnPrem X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SG2PR02MB2698 Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BSD (was: On the origins of Linux - "an academic question") X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: UNIX Heritage Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ------=_Part_5036_535734912.1579361740917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would imagine that the user land changes made its way into 386 Mach.=C2= =A0 Although I haven't seen anything I can recall off the top of my head ab= out 386 commits in user land until much later.=C2=A0 Maybe one day more of that Mt Xinu stuff will surface, although I'm still a= mazed I got the kernel to build.=C2=A0 Internet legend is that the rift was massive.=C2=A0=C2=A0 From: TUHS on behalf of Larry McVoy Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020, 12:26 a.m. To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: UNIX Heritage Society Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BSD (was: On the origins of Linux - "an= academic question") On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 03:19:13PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 17 January 2020 at 22:50:51 -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > > > In the super-early days (late 1991, early 1992), those of us who > > worked on it just wanted a "something Unix-like" that we could run at > > home (my first computer was a 40 MHz 386 with 16 MB of memory). This > > was before the AT&T/BSD Lawsuit (which was in 1992) and while Jolitz > > may have been demonstrating 386BSD in private, I was certainly never > > aware of it >=20 > At the start of this time, Bill was working for BSDI, who were > preparing a commercial product that (in March 1992) became BSD/386. Wikipedia says he was working on 386BSD as early has 1989 and that clicks with me (Jolitz worked for me around 1992 or 3). I don't remember him mentioning working at BSDI, are you sure about that part? Those guys did not like each other at all. ------=_Part_5036_535734912.1579361740917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would imagine that the user = land changes made its way into 386 Mach.  Although I haven't seen anyt= hing I can recall off the top of my head about 386 commits in user land unt= il much later. 

Maybe one day more of that Mt Xinu stuff will su= rface, although I'm still amazed I got the kernel to build. 

From:= TUHS <tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org> on behalf of Larry McVoy <lm@= mcvoy.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020, 12:26 a.m= .
To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey
Cc: UNIX = Heritage Society
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Early Linux and BS= D (was: On the origins of Linux - "an academic question")

On S= at, Jan 18, 2020 at 03:19:13PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 17 January 2020 at 22:50:51 -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > > > In the super-early days (late 1991, early 1992), those of us who > > worked on it just wanted a "something Unix-like" that we could ru= n at > > home (my first computer was a 40 MHz 386 with 16 MB of memory). = This > > was before the AT&T/BSD Lawsuit (which was in 1992) and while= Jolitz > > may have been demonstrating 386BSD in private, I was certainly ne= ver > > aware of it >=20 > At the start of this time, Bill was working for BSDI, who were > preparing a commercial product that (in March 1992) became BSD/386. Wikipedia says he was working on 386BSD as early has 1989 and that clicks with me (Jolitz worked for me around 1992 or 3). I don't remember him mentioning working at BSDI, are you sure about that part? Those guys did not like each other at all.
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