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[70.185.178.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p2-20020a170902e74200b0017f57787a4asm2260047plf.229.2022.12.16.18.03.16 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:03:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------rlISKAWK5Zo4tjnOHymcrV0I" Message-ID: <2875e06b-c744-2467-2c9e-b16b53bcde5a@ucsb.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 18:03:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/109.0 Content-Language: en-US To: TUHS main list References: From: James Frew In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: NISVBVQ3VAO4CYA3GBHTD5JHVRSH7EON X-Message-ID-Hash: NISVBVQ3VAO4CYA3GBHTD5JHVRSH7EON X-MailFrom: frew@ucsb.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: origin of null-terminated strings List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------rlISKAWK5Zo4tjnOHymcrV0I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, MTS (Michigan Terminal System)! One of my first jobs as a geography grad student was helping Waldo Tobler port a bunch of his MTS Fortran* programs to UCSB's 370/168 running OS/MVT. Definitely a step backwards, as Waldo never ceased to remind me. He calmed down once he got a Tektronix storage tube display connected to our PDP-11/45 running v6; seemed like UNIX was almost as nice as MTS... /Frew *commented in German... On 2022-12-16 14:26, Douglas McIlroy wrote: >> was any thought given to trying to get a 360 system? > Very serious thought. However, virtual memory was a non-negotiable > desideratum, to which Gene Amdahl was implacably opposed because > demand paging would devastate hardware performance. Soon after GE got > the nod, IBM revealed Gerrit Blaauw's skunk-works project, the 360/67, > but by then the die had been cast. 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Yes, MTS (Michigan Terminal System)!

One of my first jobs as a geography grad student was helping Waldo Tobler port a bunch of his MTS Fortran* programs to UCSB's 370/168 running OS/MVT. Definitely a step backwards, as Waldo never ceased to remind me.

He calmed down once he got a Tektronix storage tube display connected to our PDP-11/45 running v6; seemed like UNIX was almost as nice as MTS...

/Frew

*commented in German...

On 2022-12-16 14:26, Douglas McIlroy wrote:
was any thought given to trying to get a 360 system?

Very serious thought. However, virtual memory was a non-negotiable
desideratum, to which Gene Amdahl was implacably opposed because
demand paging would devastate hardware performance. Soon after GE got
the nod, IBM revealed Gerrit Blaauw's skunk-works project, the 360/67,
but by then the die had been cast. Michigan bought one and built a
nice time-sharing system that was running well before Multics.
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