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Subject: [TUHS] Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 21:35:46 -0400	[thread overview]
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My understanding is all the WE IP was retained through the 
Alcatel-Lucent mergers and is now owned by Nokia.  That would include 
all the 3Bx systems and WE32k.


On 2023-09-10 21:11, segaloco via TUHS wrote:

> Hello folks, I'm here today with a question that sprung off of some 
> 3B20 research.
> When 1984 happened and ATTIS rose from the ashes of former Bell System 
> computing efforts, presumably ATTIS received all IP rights from Western 
> Electric for 3B processors, WE32000, and so on, and continued to sell 
> related products through to the 3B2 line. Is this the case, is ATTIS 
> the formal recipient of both computing software *and* hardware IPs 
> after the breakup?
> Given that, plus subsequent market flow, "old AT&T" scooped up and 
> paraded around in effigy by SBC, other old Bell stuff cannibalized by 
> other RBOCs, spinoffs of stuff to Novell, then Caldera/SCO on the other 
> side...who all wound up with the hardware IPs? The story as it 
> "concludes" concerning UNIX is of course tied up in all the subsequent 
> lawsuits, what with Novell and Caldera conflicts on ownership, transfer 
> to the Open Group, so on and so forth, and SCO and progeny wind up with 
> the Sys V "trunk."
> Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have 
> those waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after 
> AT&T proper?
> Thanks everyone!
> - Matt G.
> P.S. As an aside (even though it's the more directly UNIX thing...) is 
> anything after SVR4 developments that would've involved the same folks 
> as were working up to that point in the USL group? Or did the transfer 
> of System V to Novell also involve their own in house folks starting to 
> take it over, then over to SCO, is there anything post SVR4 (4.2, 5, 
> UnixWare stuff) that would even remotely be considered the logical next 
> step by the same folks that engineered SVR4, or was it basically just 
> another face in the crowd of "UNIX <xyz>" when USL wasn't involved 
> anymore? Probably not the first time this has been asked either so to a 
> finer point I'm basically fishing for whether anything post the initial 
> SVR4 releases in the early 90s is generally considered "pure" in any 
> way or if the Bell streams pretty much terminate with Research V10 and 
> SVR4, (and IX) at the turn of the 90s.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-11  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-11  1:11 [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-09-11  1:35 ` alan [this message]
2023-09-11  2:02   ` [TUHS] " alan
2023-09-11  3:17   ` Kevin Bowling
2023-09-11  1:43 ` Clem Cole
2023-09-11  2:57   ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-09-11  3:37     ` Clem Cole
2023-09-11 15:34       ` Paul Winalski
2023-09-11 17:46         ` [TUHS] nassau smelting was " Mark Seiden
2023-09-11 19:58           ` [TUHS] " Douglas McIlroy
     [not found]             ` <>
2023-09-11 21:06               ` Douglas McIlroy

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