From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2872 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 01:36:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 01:36:28 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458494106B; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:36:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from taz.retrotronics.org (taz.retrotronics.org [66.228.61.155]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3422041054 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:36:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from www.retrotronics.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by taz.retrotronics.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4872E13F9 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 21:35:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taz.retrotronics.org 4872E13F9 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alanlee.org; s=default; t=1694396146; bh=2xzqEC5LgZNZGgnmM6+6xpBg7P7kiaNcFG22015qpIo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=G+BPvzpTGSz7hd1dpHlof4a0J4IP6mIUZod2OtmrV3zd3JVATUeanFPFSDt2GCvhU mMdleNXP55XuKVmCw/fqEz7n2on0UGbYO8i8PeVydEihkwjL1gRwFyW70qRAaYct0K Z18p5llxfnB3hrQT+2jW9Hjwxx5/YR+5f7YsGfZE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_b6aaa7bbff7ad76d284b91912243c8a1" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 21:35:46 -0400 From: alan@alanlee.org To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2884e81581b595ec2c4fc11fc6b2a8ab@alanlee.org> X-Sender: alan@alanlee.org Message-ID-Hash: XR62CPSVAXS4UWEIPGVSIVRKY7GASKCD X-Message-ID-Hash: XR62CPSVAXS4UWEIPGVSIVRKY7GASKCD X-MailFrom: alan@alanlee.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --=_b6aaa7bbff7ad76d284b91912243c8a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed My understanding is all the WE IP was retained through the Alcatel-Lucent mergers and is now owned by Nokia. That would include all the 3Bx systems and WE32k. -A On 2023-09-10 21:11, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > Hello folks, I'm here today with a question that sprung off of some > 3B20 research. > > When 1984 happened and ATTIS rose from the ashes of former Bell System > computing efforts, presumably ATTIS received all IP rights from Western > Electric for 3B processors, WE32000, and so on, and continued to sell > related products through to the 3B2 line. Is this the case, is ATTIS > the formal recipient of both computing software *and* hardware IPs > after the breakup? > > Given that, plus subsequent market flow, "old AT&T" scooped up and > paraded around in effigy by SBC, other old Bell stuff cannibalized by > other RBOCs, spinoffs of stuff to Novell, then Caldera/SCO on the other > side...who all wound up with the hardware IPs? The story as it > "concludes" concerning UNIX is of course tied up in all the subsequent > lawsuits, what with Novell and Caldera conflicts on ownership, transfer > to the Open Group, so on and so forth, and SCO and progeny wind up with > the Sys V "trunk." > > Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have > those waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after > AT&T proper? > > Thanks everyone! > > - Matt G. > > P.S. As an aside (even though it's the more directly UNIX thing...) is > anything after SVR4 developments that would've involved the same folks > as were working up to that point in the USL group? Or did the transfer > of System V to Novell also involve their own in house folks starting to > take it over, then over to SCO, is there anything post SVR4 (4.2, 5, > UnixWare stuff) that would even remotely be considered the logical next > step by the same folks that engineered SVR4, or was it basically just > another face in the crowd of "UNIX " when USL wasn't involved > anymore? Probably not the first time this has been asked either so to a > finer point I'm basically fishing for whether anything post the initial > SVR4 releases in the early 90s is generally considered "pure" in any > way or if the Bell streams pretty much terminate with Research V10 and > SVR4, (and IX) at the turn of the 90s. --=_b6aaa7bbff7ad76d284b91912243c8a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

My understanding is all the WE IP was retained through the Alcatel-Lucen= t mergers and is now owned by Nokia.  That would include all the 3Bx s= ystems and WE32k.

-A

On 2023-09-10 21:11, segaloco via TUHS wrote:

Hello folks, I'm here today with a question that sprung off of some 3B= 20 research.
 
When 1984 h= appened and ATTIS rose from the ashes of former Bell System computing effor= ts, presumably ATTIS received all IP rights from Western Electric for 3B pr= ocessors, WE32000, and so on, and continued to sell related products throug= h to the 3B2 line. Is this the case, is ATTIS the formal recipient of both = computing software *and* hardware IPs after the breakup?
 
Given that,= plus subsequent market flow, "old AT&T" scooped up and paraded around = in effigy by SBC, other old Bell stuff cannibalized by other RBOCs, spinoff= s of stuff to Novell, then Caldera/SCO on the other side...who all wound up= with the hardware IPs? The story as it "concludes" concerning UNIX is of c= ourse tied up in all the subsequent lawsuits, what with Novell and Caldera = conflicts on ownership, transfer to the Open Group, so on and so forth, and= SCO and progeny wind up with the Sys V "trunk."
 
Is there a = clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those waters grown= even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T proper?
 
Thanks ever= yone!
 
- Matt G.
 
P.S. As an = aside (even though it's the more directly UNIX thing...) is anything after = SVR4 developments that would've involved the same folks as were working up = to that point in the USL group? Or did the transfer of System V to Novell a= lso involve their own in house folks starting to take it over, then over to= SCO, is there anything post SVR4 (4.2, 5, UnixWare stuff) that would even = remotely be considered the logical next step by the same folks that enginee= red SVR4, or was it basically just another face in the crowd of "UNIX <x= yz>" when USL wasn't involved anymore? Probably not the first time this = has been asked either so to a finer point I'm basically fishing for whether= anything post the initial SVR4 releases in the early 90s is generally cons= idered "pure" in any way or if the Bell streams pretty much terminate with = Research V10 and SVR4, (and IX) at the turn of the 90s.


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