From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24909 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2022 13:48:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Jan 2022 13:48:13 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1D2DC9CFF7; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:48:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630B79CF7E; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:47:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=johnlabovitz.com header.i=@johnlabovitz.com header.b="Q2ShuN36"; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b="LVVvocLI"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 141909CF7E; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:47:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 551999C78F for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:47:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6CF3201FA0; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:47:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= johnlabovitz.com; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to; s=fm2; bh=9UKxAqURS4B+amvliQM+RJCAUScd6j8KnOwHPv 2SwvQ=; b=Q2ShuN36DkPZl/g/16l6NXJjWXN90D5Qf6PXXnfLfZxLrsWJ3apb71 9IuPMXFTlRtgLRBK9J+3Ed9QPKRk8ZDfsf2/LK72DiJIyiT5tMwc/y+Z6XW66uUm BySfXOPYGf8xt829AF5DefP4zjitnKF2zOSnmzCGfz7eNTqkOOww3lTSyGUaHUbI g2YwqppUuQ1QMqSkHBBgU6qxSPK3lPQ8zOYQaYvvIgPK9K9oAskqiULrlYNudG1q 2Y2ZZofwiMM8oYyOElWLxzC4VHGf7OqCWs/Q88mJKy/TuNtAxmdzGYRfL8laItBu IQb0T/6wlt2K+SSs3Mlrj2tsecQN2SXg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=9UKxAqURS4B+amvliQM+RJCAUScd6j8KnOwHPv2Sw vQ=; b=LVVvocLIMK8x7Ld9AVZbWkWqgQlsbC09XtUKfadNsyODTYao4ppRwrt1F lYJHSOmXGylz0OiVxlN79NylQZJU27NUDcIz1+VKdXHUhvmKVlZ2V5nZczFKPsji ILNGjkBKl4x9v4vMJULW4xoanDJjukJoYAT/4BjPlYfTpOux71prAQrI9m7jfn2w rcQBYJJXqOpwbwKezmBkKk22Mr9A28o1+J/YW/AnF9TyFvu1p1OXp38s1wOSDLeh Vlp8AwixvilRiyrpCInJAwF9ZhsacaYhLnOub6T8ifazn+VhnUMSEoZbnaPNjUjo uQpKg/RLLxqk5qcBp1AgxtNr9aj7w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvvddrtdefgdehhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpeflohhhnhcu nfgrsghovhhithiiuceojhhohhhnlhesjhhohhhnlhgrsghovhhithiirdgtohhmqeenuc ggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeltedvhfekheevgfelieethedvffduvdevkedvgefgudeujedv feeijeegtdevieenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfh hrohhmpehjohhhnhhlsehjohhhnhhlrggsohhvihhtiidrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:47:29 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: John Labovitz In-Reply-To: <7wiluo9j52.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:47:28 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2DD03634-EEE7-4311-9CFB-1FCBBB3C927A@johnlabovitz.com> References: <20220101031511.GB8135@mcvoy.com> <20220111015901.GE25103@eureka.lemis.com> <4409b91cd794867d@orthanc.ca> <20220111024218.GE3441@mcvoy.com> <202201120854.20C8sDRR014233@freefriends.org> <20220112180619.mxzojchd62vpwm2f@localhost.localdomain> <7wiluo9j52.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> To: Lars Brinkhoff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Subject: Re: [TUHS] *roff history as told to GNU X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Jan 13, 2022, at 02:42, Lars Brinkhoff wrote: > John Labovitz wrote: >> The earliest known text-formatting software, TJ-2, was created by >> MIT-trained computer scientist Peter Samson in 1963. >=20 > I see claimed predecessors are JUSTIFY and TJ-1. How do you feel = about > those? I=E2=80=99m sure I looked for TJ-1 when I did this research =E2=80=94 an = obvious question, given the =E2=80=982=E2=80=99 suffix =E2=80=94 but = didn=E2=80=99t find anything then. I=E2=80=99m not familiar with = JUSTIFY.=20 Do you have links/info for those? =E2=80=94John=