This is one of my pet peeves.  "Random Access" memory is far from random when you look at the time it takes to do the accesses.  With modern memories, accessing a column can be 20 to 40x slower than accessing a row.  This is particularly irritating when doing AI training, where training reuses 4-d tensors transposed, a very painful operation. In FORTRAN days, I once used a vector package in which you described a vector by giving the first element, the second element, and a count.  So you could describe rows, columns, a matrix diagonal, and even rows and columns from back to front.  Fortran passed arguments by address, which made the whole thing easy and fast. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug McIlroy" To:, Cc: Sent:Tue, 17 Sep 2019 13:31:52 -0400 Subject:Re: [TUHS] block operations in editors, was My EuroBSDcon talk Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Doug McIlroy > > > the absence of multidemensional arrays in C. > >?? From the 'C Reference Manual' (no date, but circa 'Typesetter C'), pg. 11: > > "If the unadorned declarator D would specify an n-dimensional array .. then > the declarator D[in+1] yields an (n+1)-dimensional array" > > >I'm not sure if I've _ever_ used one, but they are there. Yes, C allows arrays of arrays, and I've used them aplenty. However an "n-dimensional array" has one favored dimension, out of which you can slice an array of lower dimension. For example, you can pass a row of a 2D array to a function of a 1D variable, but you can't pass a column. That asymmetry underlies my assertion. In Python, by contrast, n-dimensional arrays can be sliced on any dimension. Doug