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From: Chet Ramey <chet.ramey@case.edu>
To: Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk.
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 09:48:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2bfd3b3e-5e0a-4685-9dda-63fc6546e46a@case.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240520133017.BFA761FB2F@orac.inputplus.co.uk>


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On 5/20/24 9:30 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
> Hi Chet,
> 
>> Is it better to spend time on bugs that will affect a larger
>> percentage of the user population, instead of those that require
>> artificial circumstances that won't be encountered by normal usage?
>> Those get pushed down on the priority list.
> 
> You're talking about pushing unlikely, fuzzed bugs down the prioritised
> list, but we're discussing those bugs not getting onto the list for
> consideration.

I think the question is whether they were bugs in gawk at all, or the
result of gawk trying to be helpful by guessing at the script's intent
and trying to go on. Arnold's reaction to that, which had these negative
effects most often as the result of fuzzing attempts, was to exit on the
first syntax error.

Would those `bugs' have manifested themselves if gawk hadn't tried to do
this? Are they bugs at all? Guessing at intent is bound to be wrong some
of the time, and cause errors of its own.

I'm saying that fuzzing does occasionally find obscure bugs -- bugs that
would never be encountered in normal usage -- and those should be fixed.
Eventually.

-- 
``The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.'' - Chaucer
		 ``Ars longa, vita brevis'' - Hippocrates
Chet Ramey, UTech, CWRU    chet@case.edu    http://tiswww.cwru.edu/~chet/


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  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-20 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-19 23:08 [TUHS] The 'usage: ...' message. (Was: On Bloat...) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20  0:58 ` [TUHS] " Rob Pike
2024-05-20  3:19   ` arnold
2024-05-20  3:43     ` Warner Losh
2024-05-20  4:46       ` arnold
2024-05-20  9:20     ` [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 11:58       ` [TUHS] " arnold
2024-05-20 13:10       ` Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:30         ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 13:48           ` Chet Ramey [this message]
2024-05-20  3:54   ` [TUHS] Re: The 'usage: ...' message. (Was: On Bloat...) Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-05-20 14:23   ` Clem Cole
2024-05-20 17:30     ` Greg A. Woods
2024-05-20 20:10     ` John Levine
2024-05-21  1:14       ` John Cowan
2024-05-20 17:40   ` Stuff Received
2024-05-20 13:06 [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20 13:25 ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:41   ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 14:26     ` Chet Ramey
2024-05-22 13:44     ` arnold
2024-05-20 13:54 ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 14:09 Serissa
2024-05-21  1:56 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21  2:47   ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-21  2:54     ` Lawrence Stewart
2024-05-21  3:36       ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21 11:59         ` Peter Weinberger (温博格) via TUHS
2024-05-21  3:53   ` George Michaelson
2024-05-21 16:59   ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-21 17:56     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-05-21 18:12     ` Luther Johnson
2024-05-22 15:37       ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-22 18:49         ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22 20:17           ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22  3:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-05-22  5:08       ` Alexis
2024-05-22 13:12         ` Warner Losh
2024-05-23 13:49 Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-23 20:52 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24  5:41   ` andrew
2024-05-24  7:17   ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-24  7:41     ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24 11:56     ` Dan Halbert
2024-05-25  0:17   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-05-25  0:57     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-05-25 13:56     ` David Arnold
2024-05-25 17:18     ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-25 17:36       ` Tom Perrine

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