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charset="utf-8" Nobody ever said peep when I =E2=80=98mashed=E2=80=99 enough 386BSD and wha= t was available from NetBSD 0.9 and the NetBSD 0.8 to make 0.8 work=E2=80= =A6 The closest I got is =E2=80=98why do you want that we have version 17!= =E2=80=99 or whatever $HEAD is . I guess in the same way I was more intere= sted in preserving 386BSD 0.0, and again nobody ever told me to stop. I guess in the same way nobody told me to stop making Mach 2.6 available, o= r even Darwin 0.3 for i386. I wanted to take that IBM 4.4BSD and try to replace enough of 386BSD 0.1 pl= 32 to have something more akin to =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 4.4 BSD. Although= I have a bunch of things I need to wrap up before I take that on (people a= re actually looking for bug fixes for Quake II on MS-DOS of all things=E2= =80=A6.). I don=E2=80=99t think its exactly policed like 1984, although I think peopl= e are more excited about RIAA/MPAA than things like Unix. (shrug) From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:41 AM To: Warner Losh Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Subject: Re: [TUHS] Status of Net/2 On Friday, 15 May 2020 at 18:49:44 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > What's the current status of net/2? > > I ask because I have a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 CVS repo that I'd like to make > available. Some of the files in it are encumbered, though, and the > University of California has communicated that fact. But what does that > actually mean now that V7 has been released and that's what the files were > based on? Are they no longer encumbered? To the best of my knowledge, Net/2 would be covered by the license granted by Caldera on 23 January 2002: Caldera International, Inc. hereby grants a fee free license that includes the rights use, modify and distribute this named source code, including creating derived binary products created from the source code. The source code for which Caldera International, Inc. grants rights are limited to the following UNIX Operating Systems that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System, with specific exclusion of UNIX System III and UNIX System V and successor operating systems: 32-bit 32V UNIX 16 bit UNIX Versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 I'm attaching the PDF of the license agreement, along with an email from Dion Johnson to wkt (misspelt as wht) the following day. It doesn't specifically address any particular operating system, but it was my understanding that this would free all BSD versions. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. 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Nobody ever said peep when I =E2=80= =98mashed=E2=80=99 enough 386BSD and what was available from NetBSD 0.9 and= the NetBSD 0.8 to make 0.8 work=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 The closest I got is =E2=80= =98why do you want that we have version 17!=E2=80=99 or whatever $HEAD is .= =C2=A0 I guess in the same way I was more interested in preserving 386BSD 0= .0, and again nobody ever told me to stop.

&nb= sp;

I guess in the same way nobody told me to= stop making Mach 2.6 available, or even Darwin 0.3 for i386.

 

I wanted to= take that IBM 4.4BSD and try to replace enough of 386BSD 0.1 pl32 to have = something more akin to =E2=80=98real=E2=80=99 4.4 BSD.=C2=A0 Although I hav= e a bunch of things I need to wrap up before I take that on (people are act= ually looking for bug fixes for Quake II on MS-DOS of all things=E2=80=A6.)= .

 

I don=E2=80=99t think its exactly policed like 1984, although I think p= eople are more excited about RIAA/MPAA than things like Unix.

 

(shrug)

 

 

From: Greg 'grog= gy' Lehey
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:41 AM
To: = Warner Losh
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Status of Net/2

 =

On Friday, 15 May 2020 at 18:49:44 -0600, Warner L= osh wrote:

> What's the current status of net/2?=

> 

>= I ask because I have a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 CVS repo that I'd like to make

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>> available. Some of the files in it are encumbered,= though, and the

> University of California has = communicated that fact. But what does

that

> actually mean now that V7 has been released and that's= what the files

were

> b= ased on? Are they no longer encumbered?

 =

To the best of my knowledge, Net/2 would be = covered by the license

granted by Caldera on 23 Jan= uary 2002:

 

=C2=A0 Caldera International, Inc. hereby grants a fee free license that<= /p>

=C2=A0 includes the rights use, modify and distribu= te this named source

=C2=A0 code, including creatin= g derived binary products created from the

=C2=A0 s= ource code. The source code for which Caldera International,

=C2=A0 Inc. grants rights are limited to the following UNIX Opera= ting

=C2=A0 Systems that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-= 11 CPU and early versions of

=C2=A0 the 32-Bit UNIX= Operating System, with specific exclusion of UNIX

= =C2=A0 System III and UNIX System V and successor operating systems:

 

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 32-bit 32V UNIX

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = 16 bit UNIX Versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

 = ;

I'm attaching the PDF of the license agreem= ent, along with an email

from Dion Johnson to wkt (= misspelt as wht) the following day.

 

It doesn't specifically address any particular o= perating system, but

it was my understanding that t= his would free all BSD versions.

 <= /p>

Greg

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