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From: Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl>
To: "tuhs@tuhs.org" <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Origins of the frame buffer device
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 16:06:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <30409071-EB8E-4370-A1E6-8364FC3A662E@planet.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W6ZVCuVu2cRsfJkJsbHH6HqZrMUdDJ5SvLUfm_JOGN0wg@mail.gmail.com>


> On 8 Mar 2023, at 15:23, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 7:53 AM Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl> wrote:
>> This also has a relation to the point about what constitutes a "workstation" and one of the comments was that it needs to have "integrated graphics". What is integrated in this historical context -- is it a shared memory frame buffer, is it a shared CPU, is it physically in the same box or just an integrated user experience? It seems to me that it is not easy to delineate. Consider a Vax connected to a Tek raster scan display, a Vax connected to a Blit, Clem’s Magnolia and a networked Sun-1. Which ones are workstations? If shared memory is the key only Clem’s Magnolia and the Sun-1 qualify. If it is a shared CPU only a standalone Sun-1 qualifies, but its CPU would be heavily taxed when doing graphics, so standalone graphics was maybe not a normal use case. For now my rule of thumb is that it means (in a 1980’s-1990’s context) a high-bandwidth path between the compute side and display side, with enough total combined power to drive both the workload and the display.
> 
> I wouldn't try to be too rigid in your terms here. The term
> "workstation" was probably never well-defined; it had more of an
> intuitive connotation of a machine that was more powerful than
> something you could get on the consumer market (like a PC or 8-bit
> microcomputer), but wasn't a minicomputer or mainframe/supercomputer.

Yes, I got a bit carried away there. The point I was trying to make was in context of the wheel of reincarnation, though: if the system is a Vax and a Blit, we could conceptually think of the Blit as an accelerated graphics card for the Vax, having made one full revolution. If this is nonsense, why is the Magnolia different?




  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-08 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-05 15:01 [TUHS] " Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-05 17:29 ` [TUHS] " Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-03-05 18:25 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-06  8:51   ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-06  8:57     ` Rob Pike
2023-03-06 11:09       ` Henry Bent
2023-03-06 16:02         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-06 22:47       ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-06 23:10         ` Rob Pike
2023-03-08 12:53           ` Paul Ruizendaal
2023-03-08 14:23             ` Dan Cross
2023-03-08 15:06               ` Paul Ruizendaal [this message]
2023-03-08 19:35                 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-08 16:55               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-03-08 17:46                 ` Clem Cole
2023-03-08 17:45               ` Clem Cole
2023-03-08 18:12                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-08 18:21                   ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-08 18:43                     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08 18:45                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-08 22:44                     ` Clem Cole
2023-03-09 14:42                 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-06 23:20         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-07  1:24     ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08  3:07     ` Rob Gingell
2023-03-08 12:51       ` Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS
2023-03-08 13:05         ` Warner Losh
2023-03-08 13:17         ` Arno Griffioen via TUHS
2023-03-07  1:54 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-05 18:52 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-05 20:43 ` Rob Pike
2023-03-06 10:43   ` Jonathan Gray
2023-03-07  1:21 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-03-08  5:43 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2023-03-09 23:24   ` emanuel stiebler
2023-03-10  1:44     ` Lawrence Stewart
2023-03-06 23:16 Norman Wilson
2023-03-06 23:24 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-07 12:08   ` arnold
2023-03-07 16:42   ` Theodore Ts'o

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