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([2602:30a:2ee6:d2b0:411b:ebce:8548:a058]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p7-v6sm13398770oif.35.2018.09.08.06.36.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Sep 2018 06:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Will Senn X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15G77) In-Reply-To: <201809081202.w88C2OCj038136@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 08:36:56 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3054F86A-0FDA-4266-B8B8-EE53869F3700@gmail.com> References: <201809081202.w88C2OCj038136@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> To: Doug McIlroy Subject: Re: [TUHS] [TUHS} cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Doug et al., I=E2=80=99m interested in learning about this curses vs blit business. Is th= ere a writeup or book chapter out there that covers this in any detail? Thanks, Will Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2018, at 7:02 AM, Doug McIlroy wrote: >> you can't tell me >> this system was designed with the idea of running it using text terminal >> and no mouse. There is also no cursor addressing, no curses. >=20 > The well named Curses and the associated vi were an ugly outgrowth > of glass screens--an outgrowth many of us in the Unix lab never > adopted. That branch of evolution was unrelated to the Blit branch that > essentially preserved the old TTY interface, except that one could have > multiple terminals on screen and a mouse was available to give mechanical > help for manual cut/paste/edit activities. Plan 9 terminal-handling > smoothly continued that evolutionary branch. >=20 > Mouse support could have been used to take off in a radical direction, > but it wasn't. To my mind, the primary innovation in Plan 9 was not > terminal support, nor everything-is-a-file. Rather it was an advance in > what Vyssotsky called "distributable computing", where components can > collaborate in a uniform way, no matter where they are. The key was the 9P= > protocol that unpacked the notion of file type--a unifying principle > that brought simplicity and generality to a diversity of particulars.